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probably be able to tell by the sound of

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different noises coming from the

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should have our listeners guess online

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where the heck you are and maybe they'll

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they won't I'm not sure on earth is

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Carmen Sandiego this week you know that

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the noises that are happening in the

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background are some of the strangest

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noises I think that you'd probably hear

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recap on last week's show what a fun

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one that was for me huh yeah you were

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like a fanboy I never did you get so

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excited you didn't get a word in

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edgewise with the bend Davidson them

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back and check it out but that is last

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after you and I are done kind of

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to that is far sure so our guest tonight

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is Ed oppermann and Ed well we'll do is

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about his project on truth funders

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tonight the Offerman documentaries and

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Ed is a detective and he's a forensic

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detective and a digital forensic

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detective at that he's worked many

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famous cases and we might get to some of

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those specifically we might talk about

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some of the the crazy cases that are

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that he's worked on in the past but also

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that I really want to make a grand

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proclamation here that you are getting

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married in like a week yeah yeah it's

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it's 10 days from now ten days from now

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temperature er your feet at the moment

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focusing on getting through the bachelor

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party which is this weekend and it is

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ever having a bachelor party what are

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going away we're going to santa cruz

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california for four days for three days

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friday saturday sunday monday for days

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now your fiance is not warning you for

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the bachelor party correct course not I

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say we you mean we as in like me in my

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you know frat bros I know you were in a

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fraternity and you did the whole Animal

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okay no I was never in fraternity you

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take that back take that back now mark

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Schwartz nor myself were ever in a

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fraternity do we ever plan on being are

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you one are you kidding i was i spent

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college you know going to shady bars and

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playing original nintendo when it was

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like 20 years past his prime at least

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you spent college i dropped out after

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first semester oh I know well that's why

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your untruth funders radio everybody oh

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just kidding just kidding this is how

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art and I talked we talked like this so

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i know i am getting married going santa

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cruz i'm really it's it's gonna be a

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trip i don't know i don't know what's

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gonna happen marriage is crazy some

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window yeah yeah you better think about

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it i love its best thing I ever did but

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I also did it with like my favorite

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person ever so I you know kind of ice

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did I just hear a race car going by in

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the background there yeah that was

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actually a Formula One car hmm

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interesting where am I 8 8 8 9 192 355

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take a stab where's art coming from this

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week so um yeah you know one thing I

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want to talk about last week so we had

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an article that went kind of viral

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written by truth funders we have

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interviewed Jesse Marcel's regarding

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that yeah that's right that's right so

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stupid yes okay now I know we're talking

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about so so we had interviewed Jesse

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Marcel regarding the Roswell slides

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hoaxes II but I want to get your opinion

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on this art so I don't know if you're up

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to date with what's going on but so we

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interview Jesse Marcel we I asked you

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know about today with that I was there

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for that so yeah okay we're good so far

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right so everybody you can go to medium

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calm it's one of the top most visited

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sites in the entire country let alone

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world it's sort of a mix it's a new

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social media platform and it's mixed

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between Twitter and Huffington Post

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where you can write long range articles

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and then they also showcase some of the

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best articles of the day on the front

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page by the way I will say that if you

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want to hear our interview with jesse

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marcel that is available at irn via

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podcast as well just absolutely um so

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yeah so I interviewed Jesse and I want

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to get his take and this was before we

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child mummy and and it's pretty

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interesting what he said and it was

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really cool to you know he said as I

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think we all is what we all felt which

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is man I hope these real but these are

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real but I don't know if they are and

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I'm not going to you know put all my

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eggs in that basket more or less he also

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talks about you know he thought was

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strange that if they wanted to connect

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these slots Roswell why they never

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contacted him or many other Roswell

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experts they just kind of kept it to

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themselves what later happened and i'm

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sure everyone listening kind of knows

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the end of the story but they use i

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don't and i guarantee you there's at

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least one listened to that doesn't so

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please fill us up alright so these

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slides were released in mexico city to

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like stadium of six seven thousand

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people in the UFO community everybody

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was freaking out about it and they were

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excited for these slides the slides were

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revealed they also for twenty dollars i

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think online you could watch the watch

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the performance of them showing off the

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slides there's this new and andy slides

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they featured a strange alien looking

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body the scientist went ahead and they

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talked about why they thought that these

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slides were real and it wasn't it wasn't

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the fact that the slides were fake the

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slides were definitely real they were

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taken in the 40s and i think that that

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was they did a lot of chemical analysis

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completely legit it was the subject

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matter within the slide was this like

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mummy looking alien quote-unquote body

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well there was a they didn't release the

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HD slides to to anybody but once they

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finally did I think it was the guy who's

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working on the documentary of the slides

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or yep it's called kodachrome if he put

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the HD version of the slide up on the

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web so it didn't take like more than 24

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hours for people to take it and find a

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tool addie blurring tool use it and deep

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blur a little placard that was on the

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side of this alien body and it said

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something along the lines of this is a

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two-year-old child from you know

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mummified body of a two-year-old child

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we got that wrong and if you want to

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yell at me about that go ahead and dial

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our number and call in and tell me

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that's a 88 89 192 355 if you want to

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scream at mark 8 8 8 9 192 355 by the

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way do you have the link posted up on

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our social media or I I do yeah you can

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dig deeper you can go ahead and get that

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on our Facebook page there's a link

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directly to it with people's comments

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base about it calm facebook.com slash

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truth funders that's right so so yeah so

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what happens was it kind of winds up

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being fake now um you know what bout

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what boggles me is it comes down to this

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it's either completely stupid like

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people being so stupid like these

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scientists not realizing that they could

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just use a deep ler and that they're

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picking out parts of the body they're

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saying oh well it has six six ribs and

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and all the stuff and eight you know it

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has different number of ribs than a

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human doesn't pointing it all out but

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they didn't bother doing some sort of

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like a deep blurring analysis or that

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placard was there and they knew what it

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was from the get-go and didn't want to

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release the HD version of the slides to

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people because they didn't want to get

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caught so I don't know it's kind of one

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of those things in ufology that I mean

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I'm glad that we live in a world right

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now and it goes back to what I always

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talk about which is how does technology

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affect the paranormal world this is a

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prime example of that because you have

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new technology that's out there instead

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of oh and it's a wonderful thing it's a

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great thing I mean it allowed us to get

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to the bottom of things quicker than

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we've ever imagined and it's only gonna

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continue to text when they actually grow

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in terms of what we're able to access

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and achieve through technology in

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debunking things because ultimately we

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are looking to debunk not confirm right

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it would be great to confirm are you

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kidding i would love that I think all of

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us would but we're looking to we're

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looking to confirm through debunking

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sure no and I completely completely

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agree with that the so the fact is that

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I don't know what what do you think out

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there people do you think that they were

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being frogs and they knew about this all

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along do you think that they were being

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stupid and didn't look into it more do

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you feel that

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but what's going on like are these our

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top guys in ufology that just don't

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realize what the heck is happening it

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just it pisses me off and I'm so glad

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that the internet reacted the way that

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it did and I hope this proves to you

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know people trying to hoax or fake stuff

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that you can't really get away with it

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anymore you can't and so so that's

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what's so exciting about being a part of

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truth funders and being a part of

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something that is new technology out

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there for the paranormal world is we

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want to help this stuff come to light

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and prove it you know the truth of the

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matter or you know if a project lines up

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being false on truth funders proving

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that it's false that's you know where

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this is actually in this this is things

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we do a greater point which is I think

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we're in a kind of a paradigm shift

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right now between the old guard and the

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new guard and I'm not to toot our own

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horn that I see where am I what does

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that sound I see true thunders as being

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part of a new kind of fresh generation

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of people going after this kind of stuff

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and the there's kind of an old an old

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guard i guess i would say to the

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paranormal world that it's changing and

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I think we're part of that bubble and I

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think we're part of that shift I think

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we can actually provide a avenue for

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people to a man where am I sounds like

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about an aircraft carrier island ah

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we're gonna provide a place for people

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to really discuss these things and and

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have it as community as opposed to yes

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this is true or no this is fake when we

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have to take it at you know face value

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yeah you know it's just we gotta get

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smarter people out there I mean we

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really are in as a part of that as well

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I mean it MJ actually I'm Jay can you

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join us on the air for a second because

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I would love to get your perspective on

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this story MJ of course being from irn

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and you being like one of the top

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bigwigs with i are in and one of the

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founders by are in were you following

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the story at all MJ MJ might not be able

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to to hear us right now oh okay I'm here

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oh there yes yes I've been following it

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um doesn't look real to me it doesn't

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look real no it is that all like now

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that some of the stuff has sort of come

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to light what are your thoughts on that

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do you think that it's a

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if we're putting you on the spot MJ

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don't worry about it you can say screw

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you guys I'm off he did tell me at one

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point that I could talk to him on the

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air I haven't done it yet but he did

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tell me that yeah well you know looking

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at the pictures there's really no proof

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where the pictures are from or where

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they were taking somebody I'm trying to

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think of what show i was listening to

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but technically this I mean calling them

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the Roswell slides is in a fair name

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forum I mean they can be from anywhere

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you know right that's that I mean just

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just based on that you know I think it's

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more of a hype thing for the apology

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field I mean that's what I'm thinking do

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you see this MJ is no do you see this MJ

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something that is detrimental to the UF

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ology field every time something like

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this comes out because it just almost

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pushes things back another step it's

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like one step forward two steps back

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type of thing do you wish these types of

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stories would not even come out well it

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sorted yeah back on that to piggyback on

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that question too so that's part 1 and

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part 2 is or do you think it's a

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positive thing because it helps bring

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people in who might be curious and don't

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know that you know what's what's out

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there I would a story like this sort of

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hits the mainstream it brings more

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people in mark you both.you both you

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guys have it right it's a double-edged

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sword I believe it hurts us in a way but

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it also you know it also brings in

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people that may not have have really

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looked closely at the field but I think

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it works both ways I mean I have my

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co-host thinks it's helped the field and

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one of his friends are her name is Lorna

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hunter she's a Minnesota MUFON she

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thinks it's hurt the field so it goes

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both ways I think it's good it is a

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catch-22 yes yes thanks Jay by the way I

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we should acknowledge MJ for like always

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being the dude behind the scenes here to

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thunders radio even though mark and I

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are on the air every week you don't even

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know that MJ is apology is like the

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third musketeer to this show so we

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should thank MJ and be grateful for his

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contributions because without him and I

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are in we wouldn't be doing this thank

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you to you guys yes absolutely cheers

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Cheers all right well without further

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ado let me and now let me introduce our

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guest here if you don't mind NP

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oppermann is president of opera

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investigations incorporated they are a

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private detective agency and he's also a

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president of accurate

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information recovery a computer and cell

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phone forensics company and has worked

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in the investigations field since the

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early 1980s that's probably before I was

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born first as an information broker and

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later encounter electronic surveillance

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in 2003 ed teamed up with the founding

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fathers of cell phone forensics

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forensics Router and digital data

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recovery ed student made a name for

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himself in this area and has been the

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leading provider of this type of digital

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forensic investigation so big honor to

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have ed operate on the show he's also

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the host of a weekly radio show called

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the Opera man report and he is a truth

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funders project up right now at true

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thunders calm that we encourage you to

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check out while we are talking with him

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and thanks so much for joining us on the

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show hey guys don't worry to a great

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thanks uh yeah we're really excited to

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have you on you know I was a guest on

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edge show when truth funders was first

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starting to launch back in late December

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so I'm so happy to have you back on the

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show you're like a friend of truth

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funders ed so well welcome definitely

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thank you very much and um so ed uh

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further for the listening audience who

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might not know who you are and you know

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you you have like a couple of sentence

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to explain who you know what you do I

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know we just read your bio but coming

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from you I'm sure to you how does that

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link into the paranormal is my question

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what is it about what you do that you

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are able to marry with the concept and

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the notion of the paranormal because

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digital forensics and cell phone

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forensics are very tangible and very

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non-paranormal things I think that would

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be the first question yeah I don't think

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my show my radio show doesn't really

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deal with paranormal I don't think I've

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ever done anything paranormal at all but

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I do deal with conspiracy theories and a

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true crime and government corruption I

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think that's all paranormal stuff honest

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to me yeah I know you mean I mean by

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nature it is paranormal oh yeah there is

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a thin line between the two however one

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is real and while the other is still

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unexplained I suppose it's it's but it's

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still very real

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true very human humans are paranormal by

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God we're real um so so what's the

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latest I know last time we talked to you

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maybe it was a month or two ago you're

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working on a really big case is that

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anything that you can talk about today I

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don't remember which case was it uh

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something was about to break in the new

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york times they're about to do an

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article it was uh oh gosh now i'm gonna

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feel silly for not remembering um are

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you you're gonna feel something I'm

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gonna feel worse well looking at the

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beginning of the year here was a time

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frame right mark yeah right yeah okay

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well I'll come back to that I promise

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I'll come back to that because it'll

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it'll click right now you're creating a

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project on truth funders and we have

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it's it's really sort of a

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groundbreaking type project you are

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looking to start a documentary company

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where you uncover a lot of different

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conspiracies that are happening out

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there and some of that is because you

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are closely linked to those conspiracies

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that you haven't in that other people

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don't have an into and so what are those

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particular documentaries that you're

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thinking about creating through truth

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funders or give us a little sample a

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little smattering i know and i will say

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and I will say are these conspiracies

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that you intend to discuss in this

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documentary is something that you will

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be investigating we're using your cell

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phone forensics technology to pursue

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well uh not really always a digital

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forensics but I do use I do fall back on

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my interviewing skills you know as a

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private investigator I've been a private

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investigator since the 80s on and off

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you know I've been to before your cop

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before that or no I was never clapped as

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a matter of fact most of my work in the

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early days was a defense for defense

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attorneys I got my start that's a guy

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was Iook ha that's a good one I was

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actually I was a hippie I was one of the

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Yippies on the lower east side of

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manhattan

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was a revolutionary as an activist

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fighting for social justice you're the

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one fighting the cops exactly yeah

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always and it was through that that I

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got exposed whole kind of undercover

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agents and all kind of informants and

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stuff like that Cohen tell broke type

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stuff is lower why don't you call

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whistleblower you know but I'm just a

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guy that's been around a lot of stuff

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man you know I just fall into this stuff

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I don't go looking for it I became an

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activist in high school I met people

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like Al Sharpton abbie hoffman and uh my

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god everybody Joe left cord bill

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Kunstler I was involved and all that

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kind of Lower East Side politics I ran

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into mark david chapman over there it's

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a yuppy headquarters oh yeah that's all

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that's come I want to hear about that

537
00:20:58,899 --> 00:20:57,320
yeah you know but you know but besides

538
00:21:01,479 --> 00:20:58,909
only then I got involved in organized

539
00:21:03,070 --> 00:21:01,489
crime cases and then you know all kinds

540
00:21:05,349 --> 00:21:03,080
of stuff not on the nightclub you know

541
00:21:08,349 --> 00:21:05,359
it was involved a lot of stuff in my

542
00:21:10,749 --> 00:21:08,359
life the mark david chapman story it was

543
00:21:12,159 --> 00:21:10,759
just another day in my life you know i

544
00:21:14,859 --> 00:21:12,169
was a kid and I was in high school as a

545
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:14,869
senior in high school and I used to hang

546
00:21:17,769 --> 00:21:16,369
out down at yippee headquarters on

547
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:17,779
bleecker street number 9 bleecker street

548
00:21:22,269 --> 00:21:20,570
in manhattan there and it was a

549
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:22,279
fascinating place to be man when you're

550
00:21:25,629 --> 00:21:24,080
when you're a kid you know you could

551
00:21:27,460 --> 00:21:25,639
smoke pot in the open you know right

552
00:21:29,919 --> 00:21:27,470
next door to you p headquarters was dial

553
00:21:32,460 --> 00:21:29,929
a joint where you could call up 777 cash

554
00:21:34,899 --> 00:21:32,470
and they would deliver marijuana to you

555
00:21:36,369 --> 00:21:34,909
that's that's art kinda seems very

556
00:21:40,299 --> 00:21:36,379
similar to what I deal with on a daily

557
00:21:42,970 --> 00:21:40,309
basis that's how it was back in those

558
00:21:44,349 --> 00:21:42,980
days too of course within 2015 now word

559
00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:44,359
it will be all legal within the next

560
00:21:47,529 --> 00:21:45,769
four years anyway so very different time

561
00:21:49,239 --> 00:21:47,539
I'm sure yeah it definitely was not

562
00:21:50,769 --> 00:21:49,249
legal van but we did treat it like it

563
00:21:51,879 --> 00:21:50,779
was legal you know we were right in

564
00:21:53,849 --> 00:21:51,889
their face you know we're in the face of

565
00:21:57,249 --> 00:21:53,859
the cops we didn't bow down to anything

566
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:57,259
this is young back in by total 1979 you

567
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:00,080
know 19 which was the tough times when

568
00:22:04,450 --> 00:22:02,450
people didn't have no equal rights and

569
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:04,460
stuff you know we had rock against races

570
00:22:07,180 --> 00:22:05,690
and we have to fight in the streets to

571
00:22:09,549 --> 00:22:07,190
get these rights that the people take

572
00:22:11,859 --> 00:22:09,559
for granted a very volatile time

573
00:22:13,239 --> 00:22:11,869
culturally speaking absolutely it really

574
00:22:14,769 --> 00:22:13,249
was you know when you got to remember to

575
00:22:16,330 --> 00:22:14,779
this is right before reagan came into

576
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:16,340
office and when reagan came in you know

577
00:22:20,140 --> 00:22:17,330
with a hammer

578
00:22:23,500 --> 00:22:20,150
came down on everybody and you know I'll

579
00:22:25,150 --> 00:22:23,510
just say no to [\h__\h] I I hear you man

580
00:22:27,790 --> 00:22:25,160
you know and I but it you know it was

581
00:22:31,210 --> 00:22:27,800
really no joke because you know i was

582
00:22:33,940 --> 00:22:31,220
also i used to work at the WBA I a radio

583
00:22:35,500 --> 00:22:33,950
station in manhattan on Friday nights

584
00:22:36,820 --> 00:22:35,510
doing different character voices and

585
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:36,830
producing and stuff like that I used to

586
00:22:40,330 --> 00:22:38,960
write little comedy bits all right well

587
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:40,340
hold on i'ma stop you right there what

588
00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:41,570
would favorite character that you

589
00:22:44,770 --> 00:22:43,130
performed it can you still conjure up

590
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:44,780
the voice cuz I want to hear it oh my

591
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:50,450
god I was the original fake Frank ok

592
00:22:58,360 --> 00:22:55,490
there was a guy ok I can't believe again

593
00:23:00,790 --> 00:22:58,370
it is I did a lot of stuff i was also uh

594
00:23:02,830 --> 00:23:00,800
The Mary Tyler Moore Show trivia champ

595
00:23:04,270 --> 00:23:02,840
and they are big got stolen by rosie

596
00:23:05,470 --> 00:23:04,280
o'donnell and she did in German on

597
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:05,480
people's court whether she totally stole

598
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:08,480
the bit that I wrote but I was the first

599
00:23:11,980 --> 00:23:10,250
fake Frank and I really am proud of that

600
00:23:13,810 --> 00:23:11,990
I was the first fake Frank in New York

601
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:13,820
City back in those days he had a Bob

602
00:23:19,570 --> 00:23:17,360
Grant on WABC had Barry Farber and you

603
00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:19,580
had all these right-wing radio hosts you

604
00:23:24,010 --> 00:23:21,710
know and there was this guy named Frank

605
00:23:25,750 --> 00:23:24,020
from Queens and he would call in and

606
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:25,760
talk about the savvy identity and

607
00:23:30,610 --> 00:23:27,530
communism was taking over the world and

608
00:23:32,170 --> 00:23:30,620
he sounded it sounded like that's what

609
00:23:33,940 --> 00:23:32,180
is oh you had to kind of put your

610
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:33,950
fingers on your nose as he talked about

611
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:38,240
the Soviet entity was last time you did

612
00:23:42,850 --> 00:23:40,610
that just the right now I haven't done

613
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:42,860
that by 20th but the thing is straight

614
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:45,650
oh yeah I got his voice down perfect

615
00:23:48,490 --> 00:23:46,970
that I could call in and they thought I

616
00:23:50,980 --> 00:23:48,500
was him I had the screen is thought I

617
00:23:52,300 --> 00:23:50,990
was him did I had his bit down and it

618
00:23:54,100 --> 00:23:52,310
was another guy named heshy from Borough

619
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:54,110
Park who was an Orthodox Jew and a

620
00:23:58,450 --> 00:23:56,570
member of the Moral Majority and I would

621
00:24:01,840 --> 00:23:58,460
do him that was also my prank phone

622
00:24:03,580 --> 00:24:01,850
calls you know and uh but then after me

623
00:24:05,140 --> 00:24:03,590
everyone started doing fake Frank's and

624
00:24:08,170 --> 00:24:05,150
the poor Frank the original guy could

625
00:24:10,030 --> 00:24:08,180
even do it anymore somebody fakes he

626
00:24:12,610 --> 00:24:10,040
could even get through anymore but

627
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,620
that's what it was like in those days 79

628
00:24:18,130 --> 00:24:14,960
back in New York City in the sewers in

629
00:24:20,890 --> 00:24:18,140
New York City the sewers and is that

630
00:24:22,780 --> 00:24:20,900
where is that where the so we just

631
00:24:25,570 --> 00:24:22,790
learned I feel so light and fluffy and

632
00:24:29,950 --> 00:24:25,580
now i'm going to go down to the dark so

633
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:29,960
was that where the mark chapman incident

634
00:24:34,030 --> 00:24:31,250
took place

635
00:24:35,650 --> 00:24:34,040
no i didn't i met mark david chapman a

636
00:24:37,780 --> 00:24:35,660
hippie headquarters at nine bleecker

637
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:37,790
street in a glorified yippee for me

638
00:24:41,260 --> 00:24:39,050
because I honestly don't even know what

639
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:41,270
you'd be nomming yes you really are how

640
00:24:45,670 --> 00:24:43,490
old you my friend dude I turn 30 next

641
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:45,680
week I'm 29 was born in 85 so you're

642
00:24:51,730 --> 00:24:47,810
talking to a kid yeah I hate to say it

643
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,740
man thirty 30 days I'm 52 years old the

644
00:24:56,140 --> 00:24:53,120
Yippies were the youth international

645
00:24:58,210 --> 00:24:56,150
party okay and this was like abbie

646
00:25:01,710 --> 00:24:58,220
hoffman and jerry rubin it's the Chicago

647
00:25:04,540 --> 00:25:01,720
seven who but in 1968 they did you know

648
00:25:07,180 --> 00:25:04,550
demonstrated in just reaches chicago you

649
00:25:09,430 --> 00:25:07,190
know and all that stuff that's the

650
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:09,440
history of the hippies but they later on

651
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:12,410
went on to become this group there was a

652
00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:14,450
b laughlin was on a run for for coke

653
00:25:19,870 --> 00:25:16,070
charges at the time when i got involved

654
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:19,880
and they ran these newspapers called

655
00:25:25,420 --> 00:25:23,930
overthrow and hipster times and also

656
00:25:26,770 --> 00:25:25,430
some of these guys to like Tom Prasad

657
00:25:28,930 --> 00:25:26,780
they were involved in the founding of

658
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:28,940
High Times Magazine damn sure you heard

659
00:25:34,390 --> 00:25:30,770
of that right I don't network a couple

660
00:25:37,060 --> 00:25:34,400
times she's nice guy oh you men who Tom

661
00:25:39,850 --> 00:25:37,070
Tom poor sods been dead for like good

662
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:39,860
since 1978 and whoever the editor is now

663
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:42,050
you think I'm a different part yeah must

664
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:43,250
endeavour guy cuz if he's dead then we

665
00:25:50,890 --> 00:25:46,970
did adam e yeah did you smell anything

666
00:25:54,910 --> 00:25:50,900
funny I I met Cheech actually I directed

667
00:25:56,940 --> 00:25:54,920
I directed teach in a show i think was

668
00:26:00,550 --> 00:25:56,950
two and a half years ago when i met art

669
00:26:02,860 --> 00:26:00,560
actually for the first time i had flown

670
00:26:04,420 --> 00:26:02,870
down to LA and i had to i was doing a

671
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:04,430
show called the thing about you could

672
00:26:09,970 --> 00:26:08,090
still find clips of it on msn yahoo

673
00:26:12,490 --> 00:26:09,980
screen and probably find the Cheech

674
00:26:14,830 --> 00:26:12,500
Marin if anyone out there Google Cheech

675
00:26:17,380 --> 00:26:14,840
Marin the thing about you'll see what I

676
00:26:19,630 --> 00:26:17,390
directed and he was featured in High

677
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:19,640
Times along with tommy chong quite a bit

678
00:26:28,090 --> 00:26:24,080
back in the day yeah so so the apt my

679
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:28,100
doctor so but the yuppies in new york

680
00:26:32,590 --> 00:26:30,110
city were you know street activists you

681
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:32,600
know well we would hold the the

682
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:35,450
marijuana tape sorry a lot of megaphones

683
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:38,570
oh yeah yeah yeah this is way before the

684
00:26:42,340 --> 00:26:40,610
internet this is way before any kind of

685
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:42,350
so in order to get our information out

686
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:44,690
we actually had a newspaper that we

687
00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:45,770
would print ourselves on an

688
00:26:51,310 --> 00:26:49,310
old-fashioned ink you know typeset giant

689
00:26:53,290 --> 00:26:51,320
you know 3,000 pounds printing press

690
00:26:56,830 --> 00:26:53,300
yeah that we had that we had a nightclub

691
00:26:58,510 --> 00:26:56,840
across the street so and also to you

692
00:26:59,740 --> 00:26:58,520
know cross the street lived AJ web women

693
00:27:01,390 --> 00:26:59,750
who wrote the book coup d'etat in

694
00:27:03,850 --> 00:27:01,400
America which leaves the first guy ever

695
00:27:05,770 --> 00:27:03,860
in the whole world to point out there

696
00:27:08,380 --> 00:27:05,780
the three tramps and how they resembled

697
00:27:10,570 --> 00:27:08,390
the the Watergate burglars so you know

698
00:27:13,630 --> 00:27:10,580
this was a real hotbed of activity going

699
00:27:18,220 --> 00:27:13,640
on there and I got to tell you man it

700
00:27:19,870 --> 00:27:18,230
was exciting time for a kid but also a

701
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:19,880
lot of skullduggery going on because a

702
00:27:22,930 --> 00:27:21,440
lot of these guys were double agents and

703
00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:22,940
Cohen top grown under come so how did

704
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:24,440
you fall into being a private detective

705
00:27:30,610 --> 00:27:26,930
from being at you know youth activists

706
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:30,620
and screaming at the man basically well

707
00:27:34,420 --> 00:27:32,570
okay it's all kind of connected because

708
00:27:36,450 --> 00:27:34,430
what happened was I'm around that time I

709
00:27:39,250 --> 00:27:36,460
developed a source in the phone company

710
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:39,260
who could give me information and if I

711
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:40,880
had a phone number I can contact my

712
00:27:44,140 --> 00:27:42,650
phone my source of the phone company and

713
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:44,150
giving that number Division was unlisted

714
00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:46,250
and unpublished and given that number

715
00:27:51,550 --> 00:27:48,740
and he would come back to me with a name

716
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:51,560
and address a bank account number

717
00:27:56,410 --> 00:27:54,170
sometimes a work phone number a social

718
00:27:58,720 --> 00:27:56,420
security number and a list of every

719
00:28:01,480 --> 00:27:58,730
phone call dialed from that number okay

720
00:28:03,730 --> 00:28:01,490
we would get a copy of their their local

721
00:28:06,580 --> 00:28:03,740
usage it was called Lud's that if you

722
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:06,590
called out of the local exchange you get

723
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:07,610
all those calls and plus all the

724
00:28:10,390 --> 00:28:09,410
long-distance calls time dates along

725
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:10,400
kind of stuff like that so this is

726
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:12,710
really valuable information so I had

727
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,450
this source of information I started

728
00:28:18,340 --> 00:28:16,000
selling this as an information broker

729
00:28:20,500 --> 00:28:18,350
and then that's how i got into contact

730
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:20,510
with all these big lawyers and big

731
00:28:24,580 --> 00:28:21,890
private investigators in New York City

732
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:24,590
at the time I met everybody I met all

733
00:28:28,540 --> 00:28:26,690
the big shots man but William counselor

734
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,550
you know Jerry left court and all these

735
00:28:34,150 --> 00:28:30,320
really big shot lawyers and stuff like

736
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:34,160
that and and the biggest p is and you

737
00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:35,930
know I did the right thing you know they

738
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:37,100
paid me and got my stuff to them right

739
00:28:41,470 --> 00:28:39,110
away you know into the right stuff and

740
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:41,480
this is a gold mine of information was

741
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:43,610
worth a fortune and that's how I made my

742
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:48,770
name among these people that's pretty

743
00:28:53,530 --> 00:28:50,930
fascinating so what was your first major

744
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:53,540
like case that you worked on that really

745
00:28:57,220 --> 00:28:55,970
kind of propels you into actually I'm

746
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:57,230
asking question then we can say quick

747
00:28:59,800 --> 00:28:58,010
break and

748
00:29:01,390 --> 00:28:59,810
let me get back but what was the first

749
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:01,400
major case that propelled you into a

750
00:29:06,370 --> 00:29:04,880
position of actual affluence and power

751
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:06,380
in terms of being a private detective

752
00:29:10,450 --> 00:29:08,450
and having your name be recognizes

753
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:10,460
something of legitimacy and we'll get

754
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:11,810
back to that question with Ed Berman

755
00:29:15,670 --> 00:29:14,210
right after we return here on truths

756
00:29:17,470 --> 00:29:15,680
lenders radio my name is art web I'm

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00:29:19,810 --> 00:29:17,480
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00:29:21,610 --> 00:29:19,820
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schwartz CEO of truth funders and we

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with us we do have at oppermann so

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welcome back ed hey horn good good so

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right before we went to break art was

863
00:34:26,620 --> 00:34:24,320
asking you a question about so what what

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00:34:29,020 --> 00:34:26,630
was the big leaf what made you jump from

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one one thing to the next what was that

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00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:31,340
defining case or that defining moment

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that you had in your life well what

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00:34:39,550 --> 00:34:37,880
happened was is I was doing so well with

869
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:39,560
the information broker stuff you know

870
00:34:43,210 --> 00:34:41,210
the first had the the phone company

871
00:34:45,130 --> 00:34:43,220
source and then I started developing

872
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:45,140
more sources like a DMV and stuff like

873
00:34:50,140 --> 00:34:47,330
that working at plates and stuff and buy

874
00:34:53,020 --> 00:34:50,150
and sell that information so I need an

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office so I set up office in this app I

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00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:56,090
his office in Brooklyn fascinating guys

877
00:34:59,890 --> 00:34:57,530
he didn't want to organized crime cases

878
00:35:02,620 --> 00:34:59,900
and you'd walk in there this guy did a

879
00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:02,630
fingerprint analysis he did handwriting

880
00:35:06,730 --> 00:35:04,910
analysis the ballistics analysis was a

881
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:06,740
real friends of the old-fashioned

882
00:35:11,020 --> 00:35:09,110
forensic office and I remember walking

883
00:35:13,420 --> 00:35:11,030
in that the whole wall was covered with

884
00:35:15,490 --> 00:35:13,430
all these diplomas from these courses

885
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:15,500
and he's certificates of everything

886
00:35:19,420 --> 00:35:17,450
every every square inch was covered and

887
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:19,430
then he had guns everywhere i hung up

888
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:21,110
with shotgun propped up over here he had

889
00:35:26,380 --> 00:35:24,050
in a shoulder holster i said wow man i

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00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,390
said i want to have an office like this

891
00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:28,720
one day and then you know i did you know

892
00:35:34,420 --> 00:35:31,820
my office is like patterned after is

893
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:34,430
yeah but the first big case was the

894
00:35:38,050 --> 00:35:36,650
carmine persico case who was the head of

895
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:38,060
the Colombo crime family in Brooklyn

896
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,450
right famous carmine yeah it was a big

897
00:35:46,660 --> 00:35:43,280
at that time it was huge you know for a

898
00:35:48,370 --> 00:35:46,670
kid like me I was a kid you know and he

899
00:35:50,290 --> 00:35:48,380
was at some loan sharking case you know

900
00:35:52,090 --> 00:35:50,300
we worked on that the wiretaps and stuff

901
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:52,100
like that and interviewed witnesses and

902
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:54,650
things then I was involved in the

903
00:36:00,130 --> 00:35:56,510
Commission trial in New York City the

904
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poll Castellano and I was a huge Rudy

905
00:36:03,580 --> 00:36:00,920
Giuliani

906
00:36:07,630 --> 00:36:03,590
was prosecuting the case you know so was

907
00:36:11,050 --> 00:36:07,640
a kid I 23 years old you know I met rudy

908
00:36:13,180 --> 00:36:11,060
giuliani yeah then it was the the Pizza

909
00:36:15,610 --> 00:36:13,190
connection try all these big giant mafia

910
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:15,620
cases inna and we should do bug sweeps

911
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:17,090
and we go into these organized client

912
00:36:20,980 --> 00:36:19,850
mansions over New York's you know it's

913
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:20,990
all that kind of stuff so I got to mean

914
00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:23,530
everybody in them hook up with everybody

915
00:36:30,610 --> 00:36:27,710
so um so you mentioned that you know you

916
00:36:32,860 --> 00:36:30,620
would go in and tap the phones so

917
00:36:34,330 --> 00:36:32,870
quickly we would look for tabs we will

918
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:34,340
know you had to look for taps well

919
00:36:37,630 --> 00:36:36,290
although had we knew how to tap phones

920
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:37,640
for sure we could do it if we wanted to

921
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:41,930
but we would look and find taps and as a

922
00:36:45,550 --> 00:36:43,310
matter of fact the guy who was working

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00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:45,560
for found the bug that was in paul

924
00:36:50,380 --> 00:36:48,410
castellano godfather in his house that

925
00:36:53,530 --> 00:36:50,390
was in the cement in the basement of his

926
00:36:55,810 --> 00:36:53,540
house so what happens what's what

927
00:36:58,510 --> 00:36:55,820
happens when you find a bug do you just

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00:37:00,760 --> 00:36:58,520
destroy it I mean when these people hire

929
00:37:04,810 --> 00:37:00,770
you to go through their house and check

930
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:04,820
it out and rip it out or and you destroy

931
00:37:09,820 --> 00:37:07,010
the evidence or would you what would you

932
00:37:12,190 --> 00:37:09,830
do with with it at that point it would

933
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:12,200
depend if it was a government bug at the

934
00:37:15,610 --> 00:37:13,730
time I don't know the Lord's are now so

935
00:37:17,290 --> 00:37:15,620
I don't do that now but you couldn't

936
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:17,300
touch it it was a government book but a

937
00:37:20,620 --> 00:37:18,650
lot of times too there's a lot of people

938
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:20,630
who tap each other you know husbands and

939
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:23,810
wives and businesses you know we went to

940
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:26,810
businesses and would find wiretaps and

941
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:28,850
there was all kinds of stuff back in

942
00:37:32,980 --> 00:37:30,050
those days that they said this thing

943
00:37:34,450 --> 00:37:32,990
called a harmonica tap we're on you

944
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:34,460
could be one thing you could do is you

945
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:36,170
could give your girlfriend or your wife

946
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:39,770
a telephone and you would dial the

947
00:37:43,300 --> 00:37:41,930
number on the phone and before the last

948
00:37:46,540 --> 00:37:43,310
digit of the phone you'd blow this

949
00:37:47,980 --> 00:37:46,550
harmonica into the receiver and you

950
00:37:53,380 --> 00:37:47,990
could hear everything that went on and

951
00:37:54,610 --> 00:37:53,390
inside that house so there's the handset

952
00:37:56,050 --> 00:37:54,620
on the phone will become a microphone

953
00:37:59,620 --> 00:37:56,060
and you could listen to everything going

954
00:38:01,840 --> 00:37:59,630
on in the house so you know things must

955
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:01,850
have changed so much from that early

956
00:38:07,090 --> 00:38:04,160
technology to what we have now and do

957
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:07,100
you use new technology what what are

958
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:09,290
some signs if I'm being bugged you know

959
00:38:13,390 --> 00:38:11,690
if I'm feeling paranoid and and I want

960
00:38:14,589 --> 00:38:13,400
to check for bugs my house is there any

961
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:14,599
way to know

962
00:38:19,749 --> 00:38:17,359
that there there there or is there just

963
00:38:23,430 --> 00:38:19,759
no way to figure it out well I just rude

964
00:38:26,529 --> 00:38:23,440
the dislocate if it's an RF transmitter

965
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:26,539
with radiofrequency transmitter you can

966
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:28,400
still find that with an RF detector but

967
00:38:31,690 --> 00:38:29,690
you got to sweep the home house and look

968
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:31,700
for it and then you look for extra

969
00:38:34,870 --> 00:38:33,529
equipment on the lines you can still

970
00:38:35,890 --> 00:38:34,880
look for that you can find that because

971
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:35,900
it there'll be a piece of equipment

972
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:37,910
attached to your phone the the jack

973
00:38:43,870 --> 00:38:40,160
outside your house you know right find

974
00:38:47,859 --> 00:38:43,880
that but nowadays they got these little

975
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:47,869
digital recorders okay that with the

976
00:38:52,839 --> 00:38:50,410
batteries in them they can last 48 hours

977
00:38:54,339 --> 00:38:52,849
you know that it's hopeless nowadays

978
00:38:58,180 --> 00:38:54,349
because you can just drop these

979
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,190
everywhere and and GPS now you have GPS

980
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:00,079
you can just drop in somebody's car you

981
00:39:03,789 --> 00:39:01,609
know and then hide it in their car and

982
00:39:06,099 --> 00:39:03,799
even certain cell phones and you can

983
00:39:07,660 --> 00:39:06,109
equip with GPS and stash it in their car

984
00:39:09,309 --> 00:39:07,670
and track it live everywhere they're

985
00:39:10,690 --> 00:39:09,319
going all day long and listening to

986
00:39:13,660 --> 00:39:10,700
everything going on in the car all day

987
00:39:16,299 --> 00:39:13,670
long right and the battle again bless

988
00:39:20,739 --> 00:39:16,309
the fortune so that's that's freaky you

989
00:39:22,539 --> 00:39:20,749
know that's scary um but what like you

990
00:39:26,019 --> 00:39:22,549
know not everybody gets bug it's just

991
00:39:29,319 --> 00:39:26,029
not you know your average normal Joe or

992
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:29,329
is it yeah especially nowadays with all

993
00:39:32,380 --> 00:39:30,710
this stuff going on with spyware that

994
00:39:33,279 --> 00:39:32,390
people can attach on each other cell

995
00:39:35,499 --> 00:39:33,289
phones and stuff there's a lot of

996
00:39:37,390 --> 00:39:35,509
average people who want to bug each

997
00:39:38,859 --> 00:39:37,400
other but what you don't understand is

998
00:39:41,259 --> 00:39:38,869
until you've listened to these wiretaps

999
00:39:43,209 --> 00:39:41,269
is that there's hours and hours and

1000
00:39:44,650 --> 00:39:43,219
hours and hours and hours of crap on

1001
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,660
these morons hats when nothing's going

1002
00:39:48,670 --> 00:39:46,400
on you here at sea right fine you hear a

1003
00:39:51,759 --> 00:39:48,680
microwave beeping you know nothing's

1004
00:39:54,519 --> 00:39:51,769
going on during these these wiretaps of

1005
00:39:56,709 --> 00:39:54,529
value do you have do you have to scan it

1006
00:39:58,719 --> 00:39:56,719
and look for when there's a like a jump

1007
00:40:01,420 --> 00:39:58,729
in the noise and then go back to that

1008
00:40:04,059 --> 00:40:01,430
part do you have to bring it in to bring

1009
00:40:07,059 --> 00:40:04,069
the file into like a final cut pro or an

1010
00:40:08,739 --> 00:40:07,069
audio in audio system software and just

1011
00:40:10,749 --> 00:40:08,749
look to see where their spikes and

1012
00:40:13,150 --> 00:40:10,759
different things and then go to that

1013
00:40:14,469 --> 00:40:13,160
particular section more yeah that would

1014
00:40:15,969 --> 00:40:14,479
be one yeah one way to do it now you

1015
00:40:17,729 --> 00:40:15,979
could do that but in the old days we had

1016
00:40:20,709 --> 00:40:17,739
to sit there and just listen to the tech

1017
00:40:22,809 --> 00:40:20,719
is it up and I gotta tell you I've

1018
00:40:24,789 --> 00:40:22,819
listened to because we also for the

1019
00:40:27,099 --> 00:40:24,799
defense in these cases the FBI would

1020
00:40:28,059 --> 00:40:27,109
have to turn over all the audio tapes

1021
00:40:29,650 --> 00:40:28,069
that they had

1022
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:29,660
and they would write a transcript of

1023
00:40:33,069 --> 00:40:31,609
what they heard and then we would have

1024
00:40:34,779 --> 00:40:33,079
to write a transcript of what we heard

1025
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:34,789
because it's just your own ears you know

1026
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:38,690
so if they the FBI says okay a car mine

1027
00:40:42,989 --> 00:40:41,209
says we're gonna go break his legs we

1028
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:42,999
would say we're gonna go make some eggs

1029
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:46,400
right now it's up for debate who do we

1030
00:40:51,069 --> 00:40:49,130
think break legs what are you talking

1031
00:40:55,029 --> 00:40:51,079
about all right pirates have lots of

1032
00:40:56,229 --> 00:40:55,039
pigs yeah exactly you know they say you

1033
00:40:57,189 --> 00:40:56,239
wanna sell some drugs wouldn't get my

1034
00:41:00,160 --> 00:40:57,199
hug you know you don't you don't know

1035
00:41:02,829 --> 00:41:00,170
what they say it is hey and then the

1036
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:02,839
jury has to decide what they believe so

1037
00:41:08,410 --> 00:41:06,410
so that's crazy so nowadays we just got

1038
00:41:10,180 --> 00:41:08,420
a question in and I'm really curious

1039
00:41:13,089 --> 00:41:10,190
about this question to in the chat room

1040
00:41:16,329 --> 00:41:13,099
and it says you know now smartphones are

1041
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:16,339
tappa below right applications so let's

1042
00:41:20,410 --> 00:41:18,049
see my girlfriend wants to see if I'm

1043
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:20,420
cheating on her and hopefully she

1044
00:41:23,259 --> 00:41:21,890
doesn't because we're getting married in

1045
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:23,269
a week and a half and I would hope that

1046
00:41:28,989 --> 00:41:25,249
at least you know now she trusts me but

1047
00:41:30,670 --> 00:41:28,999
let's just say she did um what would I

1048
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:30,680
have on my phone is there any way to

1049
00:41:34,989 --> 00:41:32,930
tell if she would slip an application

1050
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:34,999
onto my phone or would it just show up

1051
00:41:39,489 --> 00:41:37,249
as you know the app I mean is there any

1052
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:39,499
way to do that secretly without the

1053
00:41:43,779 --> 00:41:42,319
person even knowing about it yes you can

1054
00:41:46,180 --> 00:41:43,789
you can put spyware on the phone without

1055
00:41:47,739 --> 00:41:46,190
the person knowing about it but the

1056
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:47,749
thing is once I have the phone in my

1057
00:41:52,660 --> 00:41:50,329
position I'm going to recover everything

1058
00:41:54,339 --> 00:41:52,670
that's deleted out of that phone now in

1059
00:41:58,180 --> 00:41:54,349
order for the the information it's being

1060
00:42:00,130 --> 00:41:58,190
a key log from the phone it has to be

1061
00:42:01,390 --> 00:42:00,140
transmitted from that phone back to the

1062
00:42:03,609 --> 00:42:01,400
person who's doing the spying right

1063
00:42:05,739 --> 00:42:03,619
right so we're going to see either a

1064
00:42:08,469 --> 00:42:05,749
text or a phone call leaving that phone

1065
00:42:10,180 --> 00:42:08,479
back to who's ever spying on you now

1066
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:10,190
will either get a number or will get an

1067
00:42:14,890 --> 00:42:13,249
email address now if the guys stupid

1068
00:42:16,569 --> 00:42:14,900
enough to use is real email address we

1069
00:42:18,969 --> 00:42:16,579
got we know you recognize that your

1070
00:42:20,949 --> 00:42:18,979
girlfriend's email address we know

1071
00:42:22,180 --> 00:42:20,959
exactly where as go that's it if not

1072
00:42:23,799 --> 00:42:22,190
then we have to when you have to see

1073
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:23,809
this an anonymous email we don't know

1074
00:42:26,589 --> 00:42:25,249
who it is now we have to try and

1075
00:42:29,620 --> 00:42:26,599
identify that person behind an email

1076
00:42:31,509 --> 00:42:29,630
address or the phone number so then the

1077
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:31,519
person whose phone it is who's being

1078
00:42:36,370 --> 00:42:34,400
tapped is there anyway so there's no way

1079
00:42:38,349 --> 00:42:36,380
that he would ever know or could ever

1080
00:42:41,890 --> 00:42:38,359
find out there's no program that lets

1081
00:42:43,660 --> 00:42:41,900
you know hey you have a spyware spyware

1082
00:42:46,420 --> 00:42:43,670
built into your phone is there is there

1083
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:46,430
any way they could do that or does the

1084
00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:48,110
phone have to go to you so you can trace

1085
00:42:53,050 --> 00:42:50,750
gets back the status and even still then

1086
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:53,060
we have to find indications that there's

1087
00:42:58,060 --> 00:42:54,890
some something being transmitted from

1088
00:42:59,860 --> 00:42:58,070
the phone out okay because that's the

1089
00:43:06,250 --> 00:42:59,870
only way to do it but the thing is to is

1090
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:06,260
um what you're going to say um yeah yeah

1091
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:08,090
yeah no those aren't that makes total

1092
00:43:13,630 --> 00:43:11,450
sense and if you're not on our way one

1093
00:43:15,370 --> 00:43:13,640
thing is it good you'll notice if you

1094
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:15,380
notice the resources are running low on

1095
00:43:17,740 --> 00:43:16,970
your phone your phone's freezing up and

1096
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:17,750
stuff like that you don't have a lot of

1097
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:19,970
memory on the phone that's an indication

1098
00:43:25,150 --> 00:43:22,880
that there's like if found some activity

1099
00:43:26,890 --> 00:43:25,160
going on that you're not worth okay it's

1100
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:26,900
not just all the porn that that i keep

1101
00:43:34,930 --> 00:43:32,170
on my phone well that's it just kidding

1102
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:34,940
so that's that's crazy and is there any

1103
00:43:39,910 --> 00:43:37,280
way to that like okay we have a regular

1104
00:43:42,730 --> 00:43:39,920
conversation you and me via smartphone

1105
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:42,740
that a third party somewhere could just

1106
00:43:49,150 --> 00:43:45,530
tap in and listen to what we are saying

1107
00:43:51,610 --> 00:43:49,160
right now without those applications is

1108
00:43:54,190 --> 00:43:51,620
there is there like a computer program

1109
00:43:56,140 --> 00:43:54,200
or do government agencies and make you

1110
00:43:59,920 --> 00:43:56,150
might not know this either but do they

1111
00:44:02,800 --> 00:43:59,930
have like contracts with sprint that let

1112
00:44:05,530 --> 00:44:02,810
them go and get a number and you know

1113
00:44:07,630 --> 00:44:05,540
listen in or are they is that illegal

1114
00:44:09,610 --> 00:44:07,640
and that wouldn't happen and they can't

1115
00:44:11,860 --> 00:44:09,620
do that or is it technologically

1116
00:44:14,410 --> 00:44:11,870
possible for the it at all it is

1117
00:44:16,140 --> 00:44:14,420
technologically possible okay the

1118
00:44:18,850 --> 00:44:16,150
majority of what they're doing though

1119
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:18,860
they monitor the phone numbers and who

1120
00:44:26,290 --> 00:44:22,510
you're calling and and they have like a

1121
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:26,300
an algorithm of a how many times you

1122
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:27,650
call in this person and who else is

1123
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:29,090
calling in that person and how many of

1124
00:44:31,690 --> 00:44:30,560
these numbers that's one of the NSA

1125
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:31,700
stuff they're talking about now how much

1126
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:34,330
of this stuff is suspicious NSA does

1127
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,530
record every single conversation every

1128
00:44:41,170 --> 00:44:38,720
single email all that kind of data but

1129
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:41,180
that stuff is not readily available to

1130
00:44:47,260 --> 00:44:44,240
other agencies like I've been involved

1131
00:44:49,140 --> 00:44:47,270
in top-level FBI investigations in the

1132
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:49,150
dump I didn't organized crime highest

1133
00:44:54,190 --> 00:44:52,160
giuliani you know the highest that you

1134
00:44:55,549 --> 00:44:54,200
could get you know and they don't have

1135
00:44:57,289 --> 00:44:55,559
sister that information

1136
00:44:58,489 --> 00:44:57,299
just not there you know and there's all

1137
00:45:00,769 --> 00:44:58,499
kinds of stuff to this what kind of

1138
00:45:02,420 --> 00:45:00,779
speech like satellite information and

1139
00:45:03,829 --> 00:45:02,430
I've talked to guys the biggest p eyes

1140
00:45:06,049 --> 00:45:03,839
and his business guys have billion

1141
00:45:06,979 --> 00:45:06,059
dollar businesses they hire police

1142
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:06,989
commissioner's new york city police

1143
00:45:11,089 --> 00:45:08,640
commissioners and they don't have it

1144
00:45:13,099 --> 00:45:11,099
access to information so see it that's

1145
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:13,109
that's a thing and I think it's

1146
00:45:17,569 --> 00:45:14,609
important to know that because a lot of

1147
00:45:19,789 --> 00:45:17,579
people think Oh the the government they

1148
00:45:22,489 --> 00:45:19,799
can access your phone they can do this

1149
00:45:25,099 --> 00:45:22,499
they can learn in and they probably can

1150
00:45:28,939 --> 00:45:25,109
but like you said it's like listening to

1151
00:45:31,009 --> 00:45:28,949
television you know for five hours and a

1152
00:45:33,049 --> 00:45:31,019
lot of boring stuff like why would they

1153
00:45:36,019 --> 00:45:33,059
be listening to just your regular Joe

1154
00:45:38,709 --> 00:45:36,029
they most likely would not be when we

1155
00:45:42,620 --> 00:45:38,719
worked when I worked on a technology

1156
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,630
application back in 2010 we would

1157
00:45:47,089 --> 00:45:44,640
collect data and we would collect data

1158
00:45:50,479 --> 00:45:47,099
how many users we had and I could

1159
00:45:52,489 --> 00:45:50,489
actually click on the you know the the

1160
00:45:55,999 --> 00:45:52,499
users would be numbers so it would be

1161
00:45:58,279 --> 00:45:56,009
like number 0 5 9 21 and I could click

1162
00:46:00,410 --> 00:45:58,289
on it and I can see how long they were

1163
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,420
in the application for I could see what

1164
00:46:05,959 --> 00:46:02,640
they did in the application I could even

1165
00:46:07,549 --> 00:46:05,969
see their name but I couldn't see any

1166
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:07,559
more information than that and I

1167
00:46:13,579 --> 00:46:10,890
wouldn't even want to as as a analytics

1168
00:46:17,059 --> 00:46:13,589
person what I'm looking at is never the

1169
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:17,069
individual but you look at the overall

1170
00:46:22,339 --> 00:46:20,400
behavior of things or the analytics of

1171
00:46:24,380 --> 00:46:22,349
it so I think it's really rare when

1172
00:46:26,989 --> 00:46:24,390
people say oh well they're looking what

1173
00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:26,999
I'm what I'm doing online they are

1174
00:46:30,979 --> 00:46:29,400
following my every move they know my

1175
00:46:32,929 --> 00:46:30,989
clique they're listening to me on my

1176
00:46:34,939 --> 00:46:32,939
phones it's like are you really that

1177
00:46:37,999 --> 00:46:34,949
important that people are taking the

1178
00:46:40,429 --> 00:46:38,009
time to listen to you that you know so I

1179
00:46:42,169 --> 00:46:40,439
had friends who have said that in fact

1180
00:46:45,259 --> 00:46:42,179
and you know I've sort of had a talk the

1181
00:46:48,140 --> 00:46:45,269
moss allege like listen man trust me no

1182
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:48,150
one cares about you it takes a lot of

1183
00:46:53,509 --> 00:46:50,130
work and a lot of resources and a lot of

1184
00:46:57,679 --> 00:46:53,519
money to trace to do to to do the

1185
00:47:00,289 --> 00:46:57,689
tracing but it is possible it is still

1186
00:47:02,029 --> 00:47:00,299
all technologically possible okay wait

1187
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:02,039
what you're saying is so true and so

1188
00:47:05,630 --> 00:47:03,689
often I'll get a really paranoid client

1189
00:47:07,189 --> 00:47:05,640
call me up on a phone and I think that

1190
00:47:09,060 --> 00:47:07,199
every their every move is being watched

1191
00:47:11,010 --> 00:47:09,070
you know and I'll

1192
00:47:12,750 --> 00:47:11,020
say the more than who do you know you

1193
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:12,760
know that has hundreds of thousands of

1194
00:47:18,780 --> 00:47:16,210
dollars to put toward this investigation

1195
00:47:20,490 --> 00:47:18,790
visit me right up they do we take I know

1196
00:47:21,810 --> 00:47:20,500
what you're telling me is gonna take 18

1197
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:21,820
guys to do because I know how to do it

1198
00:47:28,590 --> 00:47:25,210
you know right exactly that's why that's

1199
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,600
it so I'm glad that you said that and

1200
00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:30,400
it's not like we're not government

1201
00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:32,740
agents right now saying this to the

1202
00:47:38,310 --> 00:47:34,990
public like Joe I'm not a get people

1203
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:38,320
saying this at all oh my gosh where was

1204
00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:40,960
that voice coming from but again though

1205
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:43,150
I'll tell you this though there is a lot

1206
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:47,200
of infiltration and there's a lot of

1207
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:49,570
infiltration so talk to me about that

1208
00:47:55,830 --> 00:47:52,720
well okay and I like with the sarah

1209
00:47:58,380 --> 00:47:55,840
palin case I was working on because you

1210
00:48:00,300 --> 00:47:58,390
gotta remember to it's not just our

1211
00:48:02,340 --> 00:48:00,310
government like everyone thinks okay

1212
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:02,350
what everyone right now it thinks its

1213
00:48:06,650 --> 00:48:04,090
dns a doing everything you know the FBI

1214
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:06,660
has a total pass everything they do

1215
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:09,010
because suddenly this guy Snowden comes

1216
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:10,480
along toast but the NSA now but you only

1217
00:48:15,870 --> 00:48:12,880
talk about the NSA but but if you look

1218
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:15,880
back COINTELPRO it was all FBI you know

1219
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:17,650
the New York City Cowen's all program

1220
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:18,490
was New York City Police Department

1221
00:48:23,310 --> 00:48:21,040
which is huge you know it's like 30,000

1222
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:23,320
continuity you know they're all feeding

1223
00:48:28,170 --> 00:48:25,330
into each other essentially right I mean

1224
00:48:30,660 --> 00:48:28,180
they're they all play their part to make

1225
00:48:33,420 --> 00:48:30,670
up the greater whole of these types of

1226
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:33,430
behaviors in a lot of cases they will

1227
00:48:37,950 --> 00:48:35,650
cooperate in investigations but in a lot

1228
00:48:41,250 --> 00:48:37,960
of cases they won't and and and there's

1229
00:48:43,740 --> 00:48:41,260
such a [\h__\h] mob mish-mosh and and all

1230
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:43,750
different guys and it's sometimes you'll

1231
00:48:47,370 --> 00:48:45,490
have a meeting you know like I left this

1232
00:48:50,370 --> 00:48:47,380
meeting and every guy in is working for

1233
00:48:51,810 --> 00:48:50,380
some kind of agency ATF I don't know

1234
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:51,820
that they're not talking to don't all

1235
00:48:55,340 --> 00:48:53,050
know that they're all undercover you

1236
00:48:57,870 --> 00:48:55,350
know I'm sure that happens all the time

1237
00:49:00,660 --> 00:48:57,880
but but you gotta remember to it's not

1238
00:49:02,670 --> 00:49:00,670
just our country there's foreign

1239
00:49:04,620 --> 00:49:02,680
intelligence agencies in this country

1240
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:04,630
when I was dealing with the Yippies

1241
00:49:09,630 --> 00:49:06,880
other was a guy was ahead of the rainbow

1242
00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:09,640
family you know and one time he was

1243
00:49:14,730 --> 00:49:13,150
accused of being a KGB agent you know so

1244
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:14,740
I saw him I said hey man you know

1245
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:16,810
someone says you're KGB what's the story

1246
00:49:22,770 --> 00:49:19,510
with that name uh no no no no I'm not

1247
00:49:22,950 --> 00:49:22,780
KGB but uh the Soviet embassy they gave

1248
00:49:27,329 --> 00:49:22,960
me

1249
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:27,339
a stipend for my poetry okay the guy

1250
00:49:34,410 --> 00:49:28,960
couldn't write I couldn't write a

1251
00:49:39,030 --> 00:49:34,420
limerick hey you know those red violets

1252
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:39,040
are blue yeah right yeah i wanna i want

1253
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:41,290
to know what are their agencies that we

1254
00:49:44,970 --> 00:49:42,880
really just don't know about to I mean

1255
00:49:46,109 --> 00:49:44,980
he's going beyond the FBI and the CIA in

1256
00:49:47,849 --> 00:49:46,119
the 1d NSA the ones we're all familiar

1257
00:49:49,859 --> 00:49:47,859
with it goes so much deeper than that

1258
00:49:51,150 --> 00:49:49,869
right in oh yeah cuz wait first of all

1259
00:49:53,250 --> 00:49:51,160
don't forget this other countries when i

1260
00:49:55,109 --> 00:49:53,260
was on the sarah palin case i was doing

1261
00:49:56,849 --> 00:49:55,119
what foreign intelligence earth them my

1262
00:49:58,349 --> 00:49:56,859
house is broken into my offices were

1263
00:50:00,359 --> 00:49:58,359
broken into the lug nuts with were

1264
00:50:01,890 --> 00:50:00,369
loosened on my car they broke into a

1265
00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:01,900
safe in my house they got past my dog

1266
00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:04,720
you know that we won't they listen for

1267
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:09,880
it okay uh what happened was my client

1268
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:12,250
was Shelly trip who was a prostitute in

1269
00:50:19,140 --> 00:50:16,480
Alaska and her client was Todd Palin the

1270
00:50:20,490 --> 00:50:19,150
husband of Sarah Palin but Wes she was

1271
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:20,500
being picked to be run for vice

1272
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:23,050
president so she reported to me that

1273
00:50:27,359 --> 00:50:25,330
Todd Palin was not on visiting her as a

1274
00:50:28,859 --> 00:50:27,369
client but also sending her clients a

1275
00:50:30,570 --> 00:50:28,869
big important people and she would

1276
00:50:33,170 --> 00:50:30,580
document the activity with these clients

1277
00:50:35,310 --> 00:50:33,180
later and report back to Todd Palin

1278
00:50:37,290 --> 00:50:35,320
possibly to be used for blackmail

1279
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:37,300
purposes now this has all been

1280
00:50:42,900 --> 00:50:40,210
documented and a lot of shenanigans went

1281
00:50:45,300 --> 00:50:42,910
on in that case it's a good 41 story but

1282
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:45,310
the thing is then it later on evolved

1283
00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:47,050
into a congressional investigation and a

1284
00:50:50,430 --> 00:50:48,430
congressional hearing that the Secret

1285
00:50:52,650 --> 00:50:50,440
Service misbehavior because the same

1286
00:50:55,859 --> 00:50:52,660
Secret Service agents that were visiting

1287
00:50:59,280 --> 00:50:55,869
Shelly trip in Alaska protecting Sarah

1288
00:51:00,810 --> 00:50:59,290
Palin were the same guys that went down

1289
00:51:05,099 --> 00:51:00,820
to Colombia and ripped off the

1290
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:05,109
prostitute down there okay so when I was

1291
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:07,570
working on this case okay which was

1292
00:51:12,839 --> 00:51:09,910
initially started out as a lawsuit

1293
00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:12,849
against me National Enquirer because

1294
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:15,070
they came to her and they offer 250

1295
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:16,930
thousand dollars she took four polygraph

1296
00:51:21,210 --> 00:51:19,359
some FBI agents ex FBI agents for

1297
00:51:23,310 --> 00:51:21,220
National Enquirer but then what happened

1298
00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:23,320
was the police chief of Anchorage Alaska

1299
00:51:27,060 --> 00:51:25,300
put out a press release saying we

1300
00:51:28,829 --> 00:51:27,070
investigated all it as we looked at her

1301
00:51:30,210 --> 00:51:28,839
rolodex we look at a computer we looked

1302
00:51:31,470 --> 00:51:30,220
at her cell phone with all our

1303
00:51:33,690 --> 00:51:31,480
information we couldn't find anything

1304
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,700
there's no connection to Todd Palin then

1305
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:35,680
later on they come out and admit well

1306
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,890
you know what we didn't really

1307
00:51:40,210 --> 00:51:38,480
look at anything okay with hella get

1308
00:51:41,890 --> 00:51:40,220
nothing as a matter of fact we didn't

1309
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:41,900
even write that press release Sarah

1310
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:43,490
Palin's lawyer wrote that press release

1311
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:45,920
if we just put it on our letterheads is

1312
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:49,970
so what right okay that's what a bit but

1313
00:51:54,460 --> 00:51:52,370
during that case foreign governments

1314
00:51:56,740 --> 00:51:54,470
were infiltrating themselves into my

1315
00:51:58,840 --> 00:51:56,750
business into my personal life okay I'm

1316
00:52:01,840 --> 00:51:58,850
trying to dig up whatever dirt they

1317
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:01,850
could and try and also try and lure me

1318
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:03,650
into doing something illegal well then

1319
00:52:09,340 --> 00:52:07,490
they could blackmail me huh yeah so do

1320
00:52:11,380 --> 00:52:09,350
you run into that a lot in this type of

1321
00:52:13,570 --> 00:52:11,390
business do you get like do people want

1322
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:13,580
you to double-cross is it is it crazy

1323
00:52:20,590 --> 00:52:16,250
exciting like do you find that your work

1324
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:20,600
is scary yet rewarding like do you ever

1325
00:52:25,180 --> 00:52:23,210
say to yourself I just want to quit I

1326
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:25,190
want to quit doing all this for some

1327
00:52:31,410 --> 00:52:27,770
reason or do you like that excitement

1328
00:52:34,540 --> 00:52:31,420
and the intrigue and the investigation

1329
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:34,550
where I am now in my life I have no

1330
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:36,970
choice what am I gonna go do now yeah

1331
00:52:41,980 --> 00:52:39,890
this is my skill set I started this crap

1332
00:52:44,260 --> 00:52:41,990
at 18 years old you know anyway dealing

1333
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:44,270
with Cohen telephone yep you know the

1334
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:47,450
organized crime cases you know what am I

1335
00:52:51,370 --> 00:52:48,530
gonna do in my life and I'm gonna go

1336
00:52:53,620 --> 00:52:51,380
become a baker I'll go bake cookies are

1337
00:52:55,570 --> 00:52:53,630
olivia de it's too late for me and now

1338
00:52:57,310 --> 00:52:55,580
I've gone into this see what happened

1339
00:52:58,930 --> 00:52:57,320
was when I started doing these big cases

1340
00:53:00,550 --> 00:52:58,940
like the tiger woods case in a Charlie

1341
00:53:02,620 --> 00:53:00,560
Sheen cases are these 24 hour news

1342
00:53:04,900 --> 00:53:02,630
stories I started getting interviewed

1343
00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:04,910
and I said well I know a lot of stuff

1344
00:53:08,710 --> 00:53:06,710
man I want to tell people when I know

1345
00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:08,720
you know about the tech Gunderson and

1346
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:11,270
about the the big pedophile cases in

1347
00:53:15,460 --> 00:53:13,130
West Memphis Three I want to tell people

1348
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:15,470
what I know but when I'm be an interview

1349
00:53:18,460 --> 00:53:16,850
you can't go into a whole store like a

1350
00:53:20,350 --> 00:53:18,470
whole 40 minutes story about the sarah

1351
00:53:22,450 --> 00:53:20,360
palin case so i said well let me do this

1352
00:53:24,820 --> 00:53:22,460
little radio show you know and my plan

1353
00:53:26,950 --> 00:53:24,830
originally was to do this show and just

1354
00:53:28,540 --> 00:53:26,960
get it archived on youtube so i could

1355
00:53:30,550 --> 00:53:28,550
point to it when I do an interview right

1356
00:53:32,260 --> 00:53:30,560
to a mainstream media interview like on

1357
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:32,270
HLN dr. drew or something like that and

1358
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:34,130
point to and say listen this is that

1359
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:36,050
story about McMartin preschool this is

1360
00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:38,810
that story about what I know about this

1361
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:42,710
or that Michael Jackson you know so but

1362
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:45,920
now the show is taken off so big and I

1363
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:47,450
get a lot more blowback by the way from

1364
00:53:51,980 --> 00:53:49,770
this show than I ever did in the PI work

1365
00:53:53,660 --> 00:53:51,990
okay well sure cuz you're exposing

1366
00:53:55,310 --> 00:53:53,670
yourself you know your well your not

1367
00:53:58,970 --> 00:53:55,320
exposing yourself that sounds bad but

1368
00:54:01,310 --> 00:53:58,980
you're putting yourself out there um you

1369
00:54:03,110 --> 00:54:01,320
know and and I think once you you kind

1370
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:03,120
of talk about these things in the public

1371
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,330
and I think a lot of the stuff is that

1372
00:54:10,910 --> 00:54:08,400
you talked about on your show is dark

1373
00:54:13,070 --> 00:54:10,920
and it is scary and people don't want to

1374
00:54:15,260 --> 00:54:13,080
talk about it and but people want to

1375
00:54:17,780 --> 00:54:15,270
know they have almost a morbid curiosity

1376
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:17,790
to learn about what's going on because

1377
00:54:24,530 --> 00:54:20,850
it is actually happening and it is kind

1378
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:24,540
of freaky and so I think that's that's a

1379
00:54:28,810 --> 00:54:26,370
great reason you know there's not a lot

1380
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:28,820
of people that are as connected as you

1381
00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:31,530
two and as close to some of these cases

1382
00:54:36,830 --> 00:54:34,140
and know as many people involved in a

1383
00:54:39,350 --> 00:54:36,840
lot of these true crime and conspiracy

1384
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:39,360
theories and you know a lot of it isn't

1385
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:41,850
even conspiracy theory it is just what

1386
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:45,930
is you know an injury run but the fact

1387
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:47,460
that you put yourself out there I'm sure

1388
00:54:51,110 --> 00:54:49,650
you get blowback and people say hey hey

1389
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:51,120
hey I don't like what you're saying here

1390
00:54:57,410 --> 00:54:53,280
because when you're dealing with dark

1391
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,420
topics you do receive dark stuff I mean

1392
00:55:03,200 --> 00:54:59,520
a truth a truth funders all we get is

1393
00:55:05,450 --> 00:55:03,210
the random we get mostly positive things

1394
00:55:08,060 --> 00:55:05,460
and then every once a while we get a

1395
00:55:10,220 --> 00:55:08,070
thing like you should have talked about

1396
00:55:13,310 --> 00:55:10,230
this more and let your guests talked

1397
00:55:15,140 --> 00:55:13,320
instead of you making jokes but the

1398
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:15,150
truth is you know like that's part of

1399
00:55:20,450 --> 00:55:18,570
the show in your show is is has a darker

1400
00:55:24,380 --> 00:55:20,460
edge but I think one of the great things

1401
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:24,390
that you do is that you you know like on

1402
00:55:30,380 --> 00:55:26,940
the show tonight you have a way to bring

1403
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:30,390
to make it lighter and a sense of humor

1404
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:33,810
about it in some in some ways as well as

1405
00:55:39,950 --> 00:55:36,330
the seriousness involved and the details

1406
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:39,960
involved and that lets people listen and

1407
00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:42,930
and and you know absorb what they're

1408
00:55:47,060 --> 00:55:44,940
hearing and I think without without a

1409
00:55:49,370 --> 00:55:47,070
little bit of the humor and without your

1410
00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:49,380
personality it would be very hard to

1411
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:51,900
listen to stuff about the West Memphis

1412
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:54,090
Three and some of the topics that you

1413
00:55:58,130 --> 00:55:55,890
bring up and I do want to talk about

1414
00:56:03,050 --> 00:55:58,140
that as well because that is one of the

1415
00:56:04,790 --> 00:56:03,060
topics on on your truth punters up

1416
00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:04,800
project you you want to do a documentary

1417
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:08,070
on the West Memphis Three and you know

1418
00:56:14,990 --> 00:56:09,330
we don't have to talk about it for too

1419
00:56:16,250 --> 00:56:15,000
long but just what let's see but but you

1420
00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:16,260
know if you could tell me a little bit

1421
00:56:21,550 --> 00:56:19,470
about your connection to that case just

1422
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:21,560
a little bit about what that case is and

1423
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:24,240
you know what you hope to do with your

1424
00:56:28,370 --> 00:56:26,730
truth lenders project yeah I started

1425
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:28,380
following a case right at the beginning

1426
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:30,330
you know when I first heard about it

1427
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:33,090
done like in the 90s and I went on

1428
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:36,480
usenet and which was I called wm3 you

1429
00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:39,690
know an altar it was like a you it was

1430
00:56:42,980 --> 00:56:41,160
using it you know how do people even

1431
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:42,990
know where it is anymore time doesn't

1432
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:44,970
exist anymore but you can go online and

1433
00:56:50,510 --> 00:56:46,530
debate these topics it was called all

1434
00:56:53,990 --> 00:56:50,520
that UFOs or altered art bell and one of

1435
00:56:55,820 --> 00:56:54,000
them was all done West Memphis Three and

1436
00:56:57,950 --> 00:56:55,830
I went in in first I thought these guys

1437
00:56:59,630 --> 00:56:57,960
were innocent the case was about three

1438
00:57:02,960 --> 00:56:59,640
little boys in West Memphis Arkansas

1439
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:02,970
that were killed okay they were

1440
00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:08,970
mutilated and molested good yeah and I

1441
00:57:14,420 --> 00:57:10,440
said we don't need to get into the the

1442
00:57:17,330 --> 00:57:14,430
dirty graphics of you know dirty it but

1443
00:57:19,730 --> 00:57:17,340
but yeah go on the dirty details I was

1444
00:57:22,060 --> 00:57:19,740
about to say but yeah I mean I want to

1445
00:57:24,980 --> 00:57:22,070
hear the details of the story just the

1446
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:24,990
you know what happened to the kids is

1447
00:57:29,090 --> 00:57:26,880
it's hard to hear like that sort of

1448
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:29,100
that's what I feel but go ahead please I

1449
00:57:32,210 --> 00:57:31,110
hear ya and especially when I've gotten

1450
00:57:34,790 --> 00:57:32,220
all the families of these kids you know

1451
00:57:36,890 --> 00:57:34,800
and and what Timmy's three little boys

1452
00:57:39,470 --> 00:57:36,900
were killed you know and what I believe

1453
00:57:42,650 --> 00:57:39,480
was a blood satanic type of ritual

1454
00:57:46,190 --> 00:57:42,660
sacrifice the three men who are

1455
00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:46,200
convicted this case all confessed they

1456
00:57:52,850 --> 00:57:50,220
all acknowledged involvement they pled

1457
00:57:56,990 --> 00:57:52,860
guilty ultimately they were convicted by

1458
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,000
two juries but they did a documentary on

1459
00:58:01,820 --> 00:58:00,000
HBO called Paradise Lost and the first

1460
00:58:04,010 --> 00:58:01,830
one when I came out I guess about 97 or

1461
00:58:05,350 --> 00:58:04,020
on that time and they raised some kind

1462
00:58:07,700 --> 00:58:05,360
of questionable where these guys

1463
00:58:09,710 --> 00:58:07,710
railroaded and the theory in the

1464
00:58:12,140 --> 00:58:09,720
documentary was is that these poor guys

1465
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:12,150
were just picked on because they wore

1466
00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:14,250
black t-shirts and they listen to

1467
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:16,200
metallica and they look different in

1468
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:16,890
this town

1469
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:19,610
and this closed-minded Mayberry RFD

1470
00:58:23,780 --> 00:58:22,050
Bible Belt town in West Memphis Arkansas

1471
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,790
just picked on these guys for no reason

1472
00:58:29,090 --> 00:58:25,440
and witch hunt there was a witch other

1473
00:58:31,630 --> 00:58:29,100
satanic panic kind of deal um so like

1474
00:58:35,350 --> 00:58:31,640
the name of a rock band satanic panic

1475
00:58:40,310 --> 00:58:35,360
yeah are we coming up to a break um I

1476
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:40,320
think that we are okay for right now

1477
00:58:44,810 --> 00:58:42,930
they'll let us know yeah well that the

1478
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:44,820
most sort of thing is a original at what

1479
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:46,770
these guys might be not guilty you know

1480
00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:49,410
and I was in daily contact around that

1481
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:51,180
time with art bell you know because of

1482
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:53,970
another situation and so I said to these

1483
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:55,710
guys ain't you know what you know if you

1484
00:59:00,380 --> 00:58:57,690
these guys and they had a West Memphis

1485
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:00,390
Three defense not even defense fund it

1486
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:02,010
was an awareness fund where they were

1487
00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:04,650
raising money to raise awareness about

1488
00:59:09,140 --> 00:59:07,110
this case so I contacted the guys were

1489
00:59:10,970 --> 00:59:09,150
in charge of it and I said hey mom so

1490
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:10,980
what I am going to stop you there you

1491
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:12,690
contact the guys who are in charge of it

1492
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:14,370
we are going to go to break when we come

1493
00:59:20,540 --> 00:59:17,490
back we're going to hear the rest of the

1494
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:20,550
case Ed's involvement with the case and

1495
00:59:24,980 --> 00:59:23,010
then closing session we'll talk a little

1496
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:24,990
bit about the truth lenders project so

1497
00:59:30,860 --> 00:59:27,930
thank you guys stay tuned with ed berman

1498
00:59:33,170 --> 00:59:30,870
and me mark schwartz and art who will be

1499
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:33,180
back in just a few minutes so we'll

1500
00:59:39,130 --> 00:59:35,730
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true funders and here with me live is Ed

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Aquaman and if you're listening live

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right now it is seven o'clock on me the

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twentieth pacific standard time seven

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o'clock p.m. pacific center time may the

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twentieth you can go in and you go ahead

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and call in to talk to us if you have

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any questions about the topics that

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we're talking about we will take a few

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calls and you can call eight eight eight

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nine one nine two 355 that is 88 89 1923

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55 now before the break and you are just

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getting into a little bit about the case

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of the west memphis three and you were

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telling us a little bit about what the

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what happened that these three boys they

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were murdered and that it looked like it

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was sort of a satanic kind of ritual

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that happened to them and that the you

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know these three kids were found guilty

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and they were put in jail and then there

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was an HBO documentary and that HBO

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documentary said hey this was a

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backwards ass hillbilly town they sort

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of went out for these kids as their

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scapegoat because they were different

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and they were wearing Metallica t-shirts

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and they had long hair and and so that's

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sort of where we left off yeah and the

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main guy Echols you know he tried to

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claim on I'm not a saint pneus I'm a

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Wiccan you know I'm not a follower

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Crowley but that was all pretty much

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exposed during the trial you know that

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he was lying about that but the

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documentaries and then I believe in

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documentaries I saw movies you know that

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HBO did they tapped into this this this

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outsider people who would have were

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sympathetic to this and this became a

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huge money machine for these three

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convicted murderers you know and I you

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gotta understand this guy Jessie

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Misskelley

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the one who confessed this guy's confess

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like seven times by now you know I

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that's why you never see him anymore cuz

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he's probably still confessing somewhere

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it's really good but it became a cottage

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industry you know I tried to help you as

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first I thought they might be innocent

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and I try to help him out but after

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getting to know the leaders of this

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awareness group I saw that their

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motivations was money and now I'm

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convinced that the people at the top who

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run these uh awareness groups and he's

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when fundraising groups all know they're

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guilty there's no way they can't know

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they're guilty so why did you know

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celebrities sort of jump to their aid

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what what was it about that i mean is

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that something we can talk about or can

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we not talk about that yeah we can talk

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about that okay okay you don't want to

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talk about it is the thing I was saying

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about my house but because they

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understand is that the fans of these

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killers their stalkers the dangerous

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people man it's a real grief in my life

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ok what I am used to with the normal

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endure but the thing is why do these

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celebrities all these celebrities also

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seem to have an interest in the occult

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and Satanism and especially a

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fascination with Aleister Crowley in the

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OTO and that seems to be the connection

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with this guy eccles was the main a

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cultist in this group and his ex

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girlfriend at the time as his girlfriend

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at the time now is his ex girl and in

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fact the mother of his child was in what

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her cousin was a vampire who was

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involved it was a folks person for

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vampirism as far as Transylvania okay so

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this is it the oh yeah and the

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girlfriend admitted I drink blood my

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mother drinks blood we all drink blood

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there's nothing wrong with it they all

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admitted to drinking blood they will

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admit it to collapse you have no idea I

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have to say but one of the things is is

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a especially why I'm back involved in it

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because I left it and I left the whole

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discussion and all this work and by the

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way to our we have one of these founders

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of these awareness groups we actually

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track traced him back to an alt

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paedophilia news group where he was

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saying hey where's the picture of all

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the naked boys this week we haven't had

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any new pictures yet so man yeah dude am

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no idea it's just like it's horrible

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how do you how do you surround like how

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do you even work on cases like this I

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want to be able to stomach it not just

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not for one second how do you continue

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to do that I guess it's just the serve

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justice right you want to make sure that

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justice gets served good question okay I

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did something in me that says keep

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moving forward okay the furman what I'm

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doing I think that what I'm doing is

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right but I got to tell you man this

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plenty of stuff I've seen it just is

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heartbreaking I was working on the

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defense for this murder case in North

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Carolina and we were doing some cell

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phone forensics in the case and it wants

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me till this day because we recovered

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all the pictures and texts and messages

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off of this cell phone and the father is

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in prison the mother is dead and his

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pictures on his phone his little

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nine-year-old boy on fishing trips with

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his mother and his father you know in

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happier times now his father's got his

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mother's garden where's his kid you know

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and you know that's devastating to me

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you know and that one case I'll never

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end by the way to we got that father a

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sweetheart freaking deal man this guy's

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this guy should be under the prison and

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he's gonna get out in eight years um

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this is a guy premeditated marillion

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01:10:01,729 --> 01:09:59,699
people talk about Casey Anthony in every

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01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:01,739
Jodi arias here's a guy it should be

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01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:03,810
under the prison but he's getting out in

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01:10:06,470 --> 01:10:05,489
eight years and he'll be out in probably

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01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:06,480
three or four years unless he's done

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01:10:10,669 --> 01:10:09,090
some in prison since then yeah so you

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01:10:13,010 --> 01:10:10,679
know hey listen you know what I don't

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01:10:14,330 --> 01:10:13,020
know this is the life we've chosen you

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01:10:18,410 --> 01:10:14,340
know I don't know what to tell you that

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01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:18,420
right oh well I guess somebody somebody

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01:10:24,979 --> 01:10:22,170
has to deal with it you know and I'd

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01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:24,989
rather someone who who is like a good

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01:10:31,310 --> 01:10:27,570
person and light you know battling the

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01:10:33,109 --> 01:10:31,320
darkness then um you know people who

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can't do it or don't have the stomach

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01:10:37,729 --> 01:10:35,940
for it for sure you could so easily be

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01:10:39,169 --> 01:10:37,739
freaked out by these people and I got to

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tell you something man especially cuz I

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01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:41,820
deal with a lot of satanic cults the

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01:10:45,109 --> 01:10:43,770
biggest ones in the world man and the

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process Church of the final judgment

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01:10:48,890 --> 01:10:47,040
yeah these guys they won't know me they

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01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,900
know my name that it's excellent it has

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01:10:53,209 --> 01:10:50,400
a list of that's his top enemies they

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01:10:56,180 --> 01:10:53,219
don't know me who I am but it's too late

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01:10:57,530 --> 01:10:56,190
for me you know and it's did the process

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01:10:57,950 --> 01:10:57,540
church of the final judgment they were

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involved

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01:11:01,550 --> 01:10:59,850
Son of Sam murders I believe they were

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01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:01,560
involved in the John Lennon murder okay

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01:11:06,890 --> 01:11:03,930
my own theory which I'm working on

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01:11:09,170 --> 01:11:06,900
developing they were involved in the the

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01:11:10,340 --> 01:11:09,180
the charles manson family was part of

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the process church you know that i have

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01:11:15,350 --> 01:11:12,150
a copy of the Immigration and

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01:11:17,209 --> 01:11:15,360
Naturalization investigation report and

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01:11:19,580 --> 01:11:17,219
I talks about how the Manson Family in

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01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:19,590
prison were sewing process Trish emblems

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into their blankets in the prison do you

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ever do you ever I'm sorry go go ahead I

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01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:27,180
don't want to stop but and we're also

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01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:29,130
involved with Sirhan Sirhan the murder

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01:11:38,900 --> 01:11:36,239
of Jovah RFK do you ever you know get

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01:11:41,180 --> 01:11:38,910
scared handling the stuff does it ever

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01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:41,190
freak you out like what you know do you

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01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:44,489
ever worry about you know your safety or

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01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:47,520
your family or anything like that well

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01:11:51,950 --> 01:11:50,489
you know what no you know as i'm a

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01:11:53,540 --> 01:11:51,960
christian guy i'm christian and i

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01:11:55,340 --> 01:11:53,550
believe that it wasn't for my faith in

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01:11:57,560 --> 01:11:55,350
jesus christ that i would not be dead or

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01:11:59,180 --> 01:11:57,570
i'd be on the jail but who knows okay

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01:12:01,370 --> 01:11:59,190
but the other thing too is ok I'm

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01:12:02,780 --> 01:12:01,380
fighting for social justice okay I one

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01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:02,790
of my guests on my show the Reverend

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01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:05,730
Pinckney okay from Detroit Michigan from

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01:12:10,610 --> 01:12:08,130
benton harbor michigan this guy here is

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01:12:12,770 --> 01:12:10,620
an activist he's 67 years old he's been

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01:12:14,420 --> 01:12:12,780
an activist his whole freakin life this

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01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:14,430
guy's doing seven years in prison right

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01:12:18,620 --> 01:12:16,770
now because 44 he was at a recall

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01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:18,630
petition to recall the mayor of benton

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01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:21,450
harbor and there's some dates wrong on

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01:12:24,770 --> 01:12:23,040
the recall petition and they threw this

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01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:24,780
guy in prison for seven years okay he's

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01:12:29,450 --> 01:12:27,210
in there right now 67 years old okay I'm

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01:12:30,979 --> 01:12:29,460
52 years old let me 10 years from now

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01:12:32,510 --> 01:12:30,989
I'm gonna be dead or in prison I don't

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01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:32,520
give a damn anymore oh if they're gonna

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01:12:35,300 --> 01:12:34,170
grab me and torture me when I torch me

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01:12:38,750 --> 01:12:35,310
for a week I'll be dead after week I

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01:12:41,450 --> 01:12:38,760
don't care okay I'm we have to resist

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01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:41,460
okay with every bone in our body every

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01:12:44,300 --> 01:12:42,690
one of us should know that we are a

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01:12:47,300 --> 01:12:44,310
slave living in this system right now

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01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:47,310
and I believe firmly that the people at

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01:12:51,410 --> 01:12:49,920
the top are satanic pedophiles and they

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01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:51,420
there they getting some kind of power

1819
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:53,520
off of this off the satanic blood

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01:12:56,780 --> 01:12:55,170
sacrifice of these little kids and stuff

1821
01:12:58,490 --> 01:12:56,790
like that of the molestation these kids

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01:13:00,170 --> 01:12:58,500
you see it everywhere you can look up

1823
01:13:02,540 --> 01:13:00,180
the work I've done on the Epstein case

1824
01:13:05,450 --> 01:13:02,550
or the Savile case and all this stuff

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01:13:07,130 --> 01:13:05,460
I've worked on so now we can either sit

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01:13:08,780 --> 01:13:07,140
back and watch this going on and they're

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01:13:10,959 --> 01:13:08,790
not say anything about it or we can

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01:13:12,100 --> 01:13:10,969
resist with every bone in our body

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01:13:14,109 --> 01:13:12,110
knowing we're going to wind up in prison

1830
01:13:15,779 --> 01:13:14,119
let me say something else have to guess

1831
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:15,789
I've had on my show had been in prison I

1832
01:13:20,919 --> 01:13:19,130
had Ramona Africa who was a member of

1833
01:13:22,629 --> 01:13:20,929
the group move in Philadelphia with a

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01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:22,639
Philadelphia Police dropped a bomb on

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01:13:27,279 --> 01:13:25,489
their house a firebomb burned down 60

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01:13:28,899 --> 01:13:27,289
homes in that neighborhood and when she

1837
01:13:31,089 --> 01:13:28,909
tried to escape that building they shot

1838
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:31,099
at her and a little boy named birdie

1839
01:13:34,419 --> 01:13:32,570
they shot up and trying to escape the

1840
01:13:39,219 --> 01:13:34,429
flames and then threw her in prison for

1841
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:39,229
15 years okay hi it's like speechless

1842
01:13:44,020 --> 01:13:42,650
you leave me speechless like this is

1843
01:13:45,969 --> 01:13:44,030
what I'm trying to put forward to man

1844
01:13:47,709 --> 01:13:45,979
I've had black so make sure this is what

1845
01:13:51,069 --> 01:13:47,719
I'm trying to get idea we need to resist

1846
01:13:53,259 --> 01:13:51,079
what is going on right now and I dated

1847
01:13:56,020 --> 01:13:53,269
me and and that's that's what you're

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01:13:59,620 --> 01:13:56,030
trying to do so you know everybody out

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01:14:02,529 --> 01:13:59,630
there if you right now go to ww thunders

1850
01:14:05,020 --> 01:14:02,539
calm you will see on the homepage just

1851
01:14:08,500 --> 01:14:05,030
scroll down a little bit you will see

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01:14:10,089 --> 01:14:08,510
the Opperman documentaries and you can

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01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:10,099
go ahead and you can click on the

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01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:12,170
Aquaman documentaries and you can see

1855
01:14:15,939 --> 01:14:14,719
all the different stuff that that

1856
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:15,949
they're trying to do and that edit

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01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:19,090
trying to do for the documentaries so

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01:14:27,129 --> 01:14:22,010
basically and you're creating you're

1859
01:14:28,509 --> 01:14:27,139
trying to raise like 10 it's 35 thousand

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01:14:30,939 --> 01:14:28,519
dollars total and it's going to take a

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01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:30,949
while I think to raise that money but so

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01:14:35,310 --> 01:14:33,199
that you can go and you can do

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01:14:37,540 --> 01:14:35,320
documentaries on these particular cases

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01:14:39,850 --> 01:14:37,550
because you are so close to them because

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01:14:42,250 --> 01:14:39,860
you know so much about them you actually

1866
01:14:45,390 --> 01:14:42,260
have inside scoops that other people

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01:14:48,129 --> 01:14:45,400
don't so you can do a documentary on

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01:14:51,939 --> 01:14:48,139
West Memphis you could do a documentary

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01:14:55,779 --> 01:14:51,949
on you know that let me get on lemmon

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01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:55,789
theory Roger dr. Judith Reisman we spent

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01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:57,679
her life and she's like 78 years old

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01:15:00,310 --> 01:14:58,880
right now but she devoted she was I

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01:15:02,770 --> 01:15:00,320
don't choose under the Phil Donahue show

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01:15:04,540 --> 01:15:02,780
back at this 80s but this woman devoted

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01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:04,550
her life into the kinsey report and

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01:15:08,979 --> 01:15:06,650
exposing Kinzie and the kinsey report

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01:15:10,750 --> 01:15:08,989
this guy's a pedophile Kinzie and when

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01:15:12,939 --> 01:15:10,760
people use this report in medical

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01:15:14,500 --> 01:15:12,949
studies now today this guy was molesting

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01:15:16,629 --> 01:15:14,510
little kids in his studies he was

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01:15:20,350 --> 01:15:16,639
hanging out with Kenneth Anger I don't

1882
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:20,360
you know who he is no Lucifer rising the

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01:15:23,890 --> 01:15:21,650
guy was a movie producers there was a

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01:15:24,620 --> 01:15:23,900
openly Satanist loose for right last

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01:15:28,399 --> 01:15:24,630
name is Aang

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01:15:29,959 --> 01:15:28,409
that's all I know yeah and asked why the

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01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:29,969
way this connections between him and I

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01:15:33,590 --> 01:15:31,770
Mark David Chapman as well but the thing

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01:15:34,939 --> 01:15:33,600
is he got this woman she's been

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01:15:37,729 --> 01:15:34,949
investigating this stuff her whole life

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01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:37,739
she's on her last days you know I'm

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01:15:42,250 --> 01:15:40,560
talking to her she says ed come on down

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01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:42,260
it you can have access to all my

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01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:44,730
research library you can have access to

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01:15:49,010 --> 01:15:47,130
all my paperwork she says ed no one's

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01:15:53,810 --> 01:15:49,020
asked me the questions you're asking me

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01:15:55,729 --> 01:15:53,820
before I start asking her about Kinsey's

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01:15:57,620 --> 01:15:55,739
connections to Aleister Crowley to

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01:15:59,840 --> 01:15:57,630
Kenneth Anger she said no one's ever

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01:16:04,189 --> 01:15:59,850
asked me that before and I'll give you

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01:16:06,140 --> 01:16:04,199
access to all my documents with the yes

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01:16:08,540 --> 01:16:06,150
dude I have so much opportunity you have

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01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:08,550
no idea I did no one out there that that

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01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:09,810
has this kind of opportunity I have

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01:16:13,850 --> 01:16:12,239
right now with all your getting a ton of

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01:16:16,610 --> 01:16:13,860
support the people in the chat room or

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01:16:19,550 --> 01:16:16,620
blowing up there's like yes yes do it go

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01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:19,560
ad like that's the reality right now

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01:16:23,660 --> 01:16:21,360
tonight they can go to opera man report

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01:16:25,310 --> 01:16:23,670
calm and become a member and you can get

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01:16:27,169 --> 01:16:25,320
shows that are in the members section I

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01:16:29,330 --> 01:16:27,179
got interviews on there with Henry

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01:16:31,070 --> 01:16:29,340
Vinson from the confessions of a DC

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01:16:33,379 --> 01:16:31,080
madam which is the whole Franklin

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01:16:36,290 --> 01:16:33,389
cover-up case I there another show with

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01:16:37,879 --> 01:16:36,300
the Nathan Andrew who's another private

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01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:37,889
investigator up in upstate New York and

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01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:41,360
we did a whole show about the case of

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01:16:45,470 --> 01:16:44,250
the I don't like mondays shooter that

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01:16:47,209 --> 01:16:45,480
shooting shouldn't that took place the

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01:16:49,340 --> 01:16:47,219
first school shooting took place by a

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01:16:51,410 --> 01:16:49,350
girl you know and then the Boomtown Rats

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01:16:54,169 --> 01:16:51,420
wrote a song about it and they became

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01:16:55,700 --> 01:16:54,179
famous and then peaches geldof winds up

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01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:55,710
offering herself and she got a tattoo

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01:17:01,550 --> 01:16:57,690
the oto it all seems to connect with

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01:17:03,620 --> 01:17:01,560
each other well you you know it's it's

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01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:03,630
getting it out there and like we said

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01:17:08,660 --> 01:17:06,719
earlier you know the fact that you do

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01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:08,670
get blowback because you do put yourself

1931
01:17:11,870 --> 01:17:10,560
out there but now that you're putting

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01:17:13,700 --> 01:17:11,880
yourself out there if we can raise

1933
01:17:16,700 --> 01:17:13,710
awareness for what it is that you're

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01:17:18,050 --> 01:17:16,710
trying to do people can donate and

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01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:18,060
support and actually get these

1936
01:17:21,770 --> 01:17:19,770
documentaries we have to figure out a

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01:17:26,660 --> 01:17:21,780
way somehow and which should be fairly

1938
01:17:29,390 --> 01:17:26,670
easy at where someone you know signs up

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01:17:31,340 --> 01:17:29,400
or donates five or ten bucks two or

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01:17:33,919 --> 01:17:31,350
twenty bucks to choose funders for your

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01:17:35,959 --> 01:17:33,929
documentary project that they become a

1942
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:35,969
member so they get kind of like a

1943
01:17:40,100 --> 01:17:38,370
two-for-one somehow so you have more

1944
01:17:42,980 --> 01:17:40,110
members at the same time supporting you

1945
01:17:44,420 --> 01:17:42,990
as well as the project you know we could

1946
01:17:45,470 --> 01:17:44,430
talk about that offline but that's

1947
01:17:47,300 --> 01:17:45,480
something that people might be

1948
01:17:49,010 --> 01:17:47,310
interested in you've already raised a

1949
01:17:50,630 --> 01:17:49,020
hundred and thirty dollars you got I

1950
01:17:52,850 --> 01:17:50,640
think thirty dollars within this past

1951
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:52,860
hour I'm personal I'm personally going

1952
01:17:57,380 --> 01:17:55,530
to donate to your campaign in the next

1953
01:17:59,960 --> 01:17:57,390
15-20 minutes once we get off the phone

1954
01:18:04,070 --> 01:17:59,970
but you have a lot going on here so

1955
01:18:07,130 --> 01:18:04,080
everyone please go to ww truth finders

1956
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:07,140
calm see what what EDD is working on

1957
01:18:14,180 --> 01:18:09,690
there's a whole lot there that you can

1958
01:18:16,190 --> 01:18:14,190
do for 20 bucks you can get one of these

1959
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:16,200
documentaries the digital download as

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01:18:20,510 --> 01:18:17,760
soon as it's ready which will be you

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01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:20,520
know down the road that's because we

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01:18:26,450 --> 01:18:23,520
have to sort of get the funds in order

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01:18:29,330 --> 01:18:26,460
to do that there is an honor thank you

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01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:29,340
on edge Joe for fifty dollars plus a

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01:18:35,210 --> 01:18:32,370
digital download for 150 bucks you can

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01:18:37,850 --> 01:18:35,220
get an IMDB credit which is important to

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01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:37,860
a lot of people for being a part of of

1968
01:18:43,250 --> 01:18:40,770
this and in helping to donate any from

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01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:43,260
the girls it is great for picking up

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01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:49,530
girls yeah yeah trust me i have one so

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01:18:53,810 --> 01:18:52,170
so there's a lot a lot we can do and and

1972
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:53,820
this project will be up for a while but

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01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:55,920
really if everyone out there can just

1974
01:19:00,680 --> 01:18:57,930
show their appreciation if you like the

1975
01:19:04,180 --> 01:19:00,690
show tonight become a member and what is

1976
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:04,190
the the URL for to become a member again

1977
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:07,530
Opperman report calm and just look for

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01:19:13,490 --> 01:19:10,080
the join us button you know joiner the

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01:19:15,950 --> 01:19:13,500
members section you know and one last

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01:19:17,660 --> 01:19:15,960
thing that I want to say so we have

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01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:17,670
about ten minutes left before we have to

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go and there's been a couple of

1983
01:19:24,620 --> 01:19:22,260
questions from the chat room so maybe we

1984
01:19:27,310 --> 01:19:24,630
can play like a one-minute

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01:19:30,890 --> 01:19:27,320
question-and-answer kind of thing um

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01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:30,900
okay so someone wanted to know about

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01:19:36,980 --> 01:19:34,110
fake cell towers and if there's anything

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01:19:39,650 --> 01:19:36,990
to that are there fake cell towers out

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01:19:42,050 --> 01:19:39,660
there that are actually interacting with

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01:19:43,510 --> 01:19:42,060
us somehow and finding our GPS location

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01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:43,520
or listening in to what we're doing

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01:19:48,620 --> 01:19:46,650
there probably are okay and I contain

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01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:48,630
right now if some somebody wanted to

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01:19:51,540 --> 01:19:49,650
fund me on that I could definitely

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01:19:53,399 --> 01:19:51,550
investigate that easily

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because that's one of the reports that

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01:19:58,770 --> 01:19:57,579
we can produce for is a we do the we had

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01:20:00,030 --> 01:19:58,780
a case when Sam sky was accused of

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01:20:02,220 --> 01:20:00,040
robbing a bank and we got the cellphone

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01:20:04,950 --> 01:20:02,230
tower reports and we could track his

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01:20:06,959 --> 01:20:04,960
location back to you know and prove that

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01:20:08,459 --> 01:20:06,969
he wasn't in the location of the cell

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01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:08,469
phones i was at the firehouse it as a

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01:20:14,189 --> 01:20:11,770
fireman so that if we could investigate

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01:20:17,220 --> 01:20:14,199
that and find out for sure whether

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01:20:20,189 --> 01:20:17,230
they're fake towers or not um and yet

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01:20:24,660 --> 01:20:20,199
see what they said this was a exile and

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01:20:27,209 --> 01:20:24,670
they said well the rarely heard about

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01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:27,219
false cell towers that enforcers use to

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01:20:31,649 --> 01:20:29,650
intercept calls and messages cops are

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01:20:34,109 --> 01:20:31,659
using them more and more it's like NSA

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01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:34,119
in a box do you think that's true or do

2013
01:20:37,020 --> 01:20:35,440
you think that's fake just something

2014
01:20:39,839 --> 01:20:37,030
you've heard of or do you think that is

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01:20:41,580 --> 01:20:39,849
great to as well but for me I would have

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01:20:42,990 --> 01:20:41,590
to investigate it to find out if it's

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01:20:44,339 --> 01:20:43,000
true or not because there's so much crap

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01:20:47,010 --> 01:20:44,349
out that it's falling around it's

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01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:47,020
ridiculous and I saw a post by you

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01:20:50,189 --> 01:20:48,610
talking about that at David Rockefeller

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01:20:51,959 --> 01:20:50,199
you know it's six heart transplants

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01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,969
there's so much crap floating around i

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01:20:56,700 --> 01:20:53,440
think that people just buy into with

2024
01:20:58,200 --> 01:20:56,710
just blindly we we need every one of us

2025
01:21:00,720 --> 01:20:58,210
listening to the show right now needs to

2026
01:21:04,589 --> 01:21:00,730
double down your skepticism like these

2027
01:21:07,140 --> 01:21:04,599
these roswell slides yes we all need to

2028
01:21:08,700 --> 01:21:07,150
double if you're skeptical now double

2029
01:21:09,899 --> 01:21:08,710
down and want your skeptical right now

2030
01:21:13,950 --> 01:21:09,909
because I tell you I've met a lot of

2031
01:21:16,500 --> 01:21:13,960
these people okay a crap they make no

2032
01:21:18,750 --> 01:21:16,510
bones about it man talk to some of these

2033
01:21:20,669 --> 01:21:18,760
people off the air they are full of crap

2034
01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:20,679
and I don't even deny it and I could

2035
01:21:23,819 --> 01:21:22,000
testify in court to some of these

2036
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:23,829
characters being totally full of crap

2037
01:21:26,609 --> 01:21:25,570
cuz I gotta emails what is his aim and

2038
01:21:28,260 --> 01:21:26,619
the guy about to have on your show is

2039
01:21:30,299 --> 01:21:28,270
totally [\h__\h] he confessed to me that

2040
01:21:32,370 --> 01:21:30,309
he's full of crap you know how do you

2041
01:21:34,140 --> 01:21:32,380
feel about that when someone is about to

2042
01:21:36,270 --> 01:21:34,150
be on your show and you get an email

2043
01:21:38,580 --> 01:21:36,280
saying this person's full of crap do you

2044
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:38,590
want to still interview them do you do

2045
01:21:43,649 --> 01:21:41,770
you call them out on it do you I've

2046
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:43,659
never had that I've night because I'm

2047
01:21:47,220 --> 01:21:45,280
very careful that the people have my

2048
01:21:50,069 --> 01:21:47,230
show are not full of crap I tell you I

2049
01:21:51,209 --> 01:21:50,079
work on that and yeah you know I have

2050
01:21:53,220 --> 01:21:51,219
had a couple guys slip through I gotta

2051
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:53,230
admit that about this by the shaman and

2052
01:21:56,729 --> 01:21:54,489
it says there's this guy slip through

2053
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:56,739
every was a total nut but I said it on

2054
01:22:01,709 --> 01:21:58,239
the air I said listen when you're saying

2055
01:22:03,710 --> 01:22:01,719
is false you know but what my focus on

2056
01:22:06,110 --> 01:22:03,720
the radio show is not I don't

2057
01:22:07,700 --> 01:22:06,120
these frequent flyer guests that

2058
01:22:09,230 --> 01:22:07,710
everybody's having on the only goal art

2059
01:22:11,660 --> 01:22:09,240
bell guess you know i'm not going to

2060
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:11,670
those guys i'm looking for iconic

2061
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:15,050
historic events like the Jim Jones uh

2062
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:19,890
Peoples Temple case the move burning

2063
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:22,050
down the move family you know I look for

2064
01:22:25,580 --> 01:22:23,280
those kind of things and I said well

2065
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:25,590
let's go back and revisit this the

2066
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:28,290
Columbine you know I go back and look at

2067
01:22:32,270 --> 01:22:29,690
that show on columbine you'll love it

2068
01:22:35,180 --> 01:22:32,280
you know and we get it we do a lot of

2069
01:22:36,770 --> 01:22:35,190
research and we explore everything we

2070
01:22:38,810 --> 01:22:36,780
get everything on the record you know

2071
01:22:40,610 --> 01:22:38,820
that's what we're trying to do yeah and

2072
01:22:43,610 --> 01:22:40,620
that's that's why I need to see your

2073
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:43,620
your documentaries I need you I please

2074
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:46,290
everyone out there if you last James

2075
01:22:51,170 --> 01:22:48,810
plug please go to truth funders calm and

2076
01:22:54,980 --> 01:22:51,180
and donate even if it's five bucks ten

2077
01:22:56,660 --> 01:22:54,990
bucks a dollar it's not it's not just

2078
01:22:58,820 --> 01:22:56,670
the district's it's not just West

2079
01:23:02,540 --> 01:22:58,830
Memphis Three it's not just the the move

2080
01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:02,550
the the Kinsey case the jeff mcdonald

2081
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:03,510
case you know I'm in touch with

2082
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:05,850
everybody in that case and there's a lot

2083
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:07,650
of stuff that hasn't been brought out at

2084
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:11,360
all that case took place on Fort Bragg

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01:23:16,850 --> 01:23:14,010
Colonel Michael Aquino the headless

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01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:16,860
temple asset was stationed on that base

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01:23:21,380 --> 01:23:19,410
at the time that murder took place Ted

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01:23:23,450 --> 01:23:21,390
Gunderson handle all the witnesses in

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01:23:25,190 --> 01:23:23,460
that case I'm when I talk to the

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01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:25,200
principal's in this case they they're

2091
01:23:29,660 --> 01:23:28,080
not aware of that okay you know I'll

2092
01:23:32,150 --> 01:23:29,670
talk it out about they don't they're not

2093
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:32,160
aware of those facts ok that the p.i

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01:23:39,380 --> 01:23:35,520
that they had handling their witnesses

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01:23:41,540 --> 01:23:39,390
was in daily telephone contact with the

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01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:41,550
head of the temple of set who was based

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01:23:44,570 --> 01:23:42,690
within two they're talking about a

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01:23:47,660 --> 01:23:44,580
satanic cult to these murders and

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01:23:51,020 --> 01:23:47,670
they're not even wear these facts so and

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01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:51,030
yeah oh go ahead we cannot just make

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01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:53,610
documentaries we can change history we

2102
01:23:58,100 --> 01:23:56,370
can go back and get justice and a lot of

2103
01:24:00,620 --> 01:23:58,110
stuff and we just need the money I've

2104
01:24:02,060 --> 01:24:00,630
worked on big cases i know i'm doing you

2105
01:24:03,980 --> 01:24:02,070
know I just need some money to do it

2106
01:24:05,660 --> 01:24:03,990
with you know and I say if i could just

2107
01:24:07,310 --> 01:24:05,670
turn back the clock to where it was just

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01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:07,320
a few years ago I had a big giant lab

2109
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you know we don't I did the tiger woods

2110
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:11,970
case into the charlie sheen case a lot

2111
01:24:17,030 --> 01:24:14,970
of bass stuff man you know a weiner ate

2112
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:17,040
it I like that all this year yeah what

2113
01:24:20,090 --> 01:24:17,970
was your most

2114
01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:20,100
the case that puts you in the spotlight

2115
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:22,440
most of all more than my you have to

2116
01:24:28,460 --> 01:24:24,690
start wrapping it up we have two minutes

2117
01:24:30,980 --> 01:24:28,470
left so tell me your your favorite case

2118
01:24:32,870 --> 01:24:30,990
of all time the one-minute break down

2119
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:32,880
and then I love to hear your fake Frank

2120
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:36,170
after that and we'll we'll call a night

2121
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:41,610
be aware of a silent Anthony you know my

2122
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:43,530
favorite case I couldn't say in my fam

2123
01:24:47,540 --> 01:24:45,840
what would be a favorite case to me you

2124
01:24:50,030 --> 01:24:47,550
won't you want to understand my favorite

2125
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:50,040
case to me was this guy we needed to

2126
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:51,810
locate the sky from an email address i

2127
01:24:55,130 --> 01:24:53,370
do a lot of email tracing where i can

2128
01:24:58,040 --> 01:24:55,140
identify and locate people from an email

2129
01:25:00,350 --> 01:24:58,050
address and located in a runaway kid you

2130
01:25:03,230 --> 01:25:00,360
know what I was I was on the doctor Drew

2131
01:25:04,820 --> 01:25:03,240
show and 20 minutes after the show I was

2132
01:25:06,110 --> 01:25:04,830
hired by this woman to locate her son

2133
01:25:07,970 --> 01:25:06,120
who wandered away from a mental

2134
01:25:10,070 --> 01:25:07,980
institution I found this kid 20 minutes

2135
01:25:11,870 --> 01:25:10,080
you know it doesn't happen every time

2136
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:11,880
you know but it but that's a favorite

2137
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:13,770
case there's no been enjoying like

2138
01:25:16,370 --> 01:25:15,120
listening to you guys talk I really have

2139
01:25:18,440 --> 01:25:16,380
had nothing to add to this entire

2140
01:25:19,670 --> 01:25:18,450
conversation I think that's been such a

2141
01:25:21,440 --> 01:25:19,680
wonderful show sorry I haven't been

2142
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:21,450
around more to interject and I'm sorry

2143
01:25:24,530 --> 01:25:22,800
to interrupt you guys but we're almost

2144
01:25:28,010 --> 01:25:24,540
out of time what was that time for this

2145
01:25:30,410 --> 01:25:28,020
week all right well I guess then with

2146
01:25:33,140 --> 01:25:30,420
that Ed I want to thank you so much for

2147
01:25:35,150 --> 01:25:33,150
coming on the show we have to have you

2148
01:25:36,590 --> 01:25:35,160
back I mean there's so many stories that

2149
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:36,600
you have I know we just got little

2150
01:25:40,310 --> 01:25:38,970
snippets of things tonight but something

2151
01:25:43,390 --> 01:25:40,320
that we'd love to focus on here is

2152
01:25:47,060 --> 01:25:43,400
technology and how technology kind of

2153
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:47,070
plays in the paranormal world and and

2154
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:50,250
you know and conspiracies and technology

2155
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:52,800
we love it also i love to have you back

2156
01:25:58,190 --> 01:25:55,170
in the next maybe maybe about two months

2157
01:25:59,690 --> 01:25:58,200
from now if that's cool with you we

2158
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:59,700
could talk about your project and pick

2159
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:01,440
it up again and see how far it's gone

2160
01:26:07,550 --> 01:26:03,650
yes sure whenever you want made sure

2161
01:26:09,050 --> 01:26:07,560
great all right well thank you so much

2162
01:26:11,570 --> 01:26:09,060
for being on the show everybody at

2163
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:11,580
opperman I know where it does that have

2164
01:26:14,420 --> 01:26:12,930
website other than the truth funders

2165
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:14,430
project that people can go check out

2166
01:26:18,890 --> 01:26:16,530
really if you want to hire a private

2167
01:26:20,900 --> 01:26:18,900
investigator you go to email revealer

2168
01:26:22,220 --> 01:26:20,910
calm and you can go there and look at

2169
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:22,230
all the services that i want for for

2170
01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:24,000
their email tracing background checks

2171
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:25,560
asset searches that's all the regular

2172
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:26,880
fee I stuff cell phone forensics

2173
01:26:31,230 --> 01:26:29,010
computer forensics

2174
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:31,240
man we're doing really good stuff there

2175
01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:34,090
the radio show it ever go keep got local

2176
01:26:37,410 --> 01:26:35,440
go ahead please the radio show is

2177
01:26:38,580 --> 01:26:37,420
opperman report com you can become a

2178
01:26:40,530 --> 01:26:38,590
member there's a lot of stuff in the

2179
01:26:42,510 --> 01:26:40,540
members section but just joining man

2180
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:42,520
just a couple six bucks a month man you

2181
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:44,050
know to support me in the work we're

2182
01:26:47,070 --> 01:26:45,520
doing here I got my ass on the line and

2183
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:47,080
be honest with you and a lot of crap

2184
01:26:51,210 --> 01:26:49,690
comes down there don't rolls downstream

2185
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:51,220
and it's all rolling on my head all of

2186
01:26:56,550 --> 01:26:54,090
that so or we can get we appreciate all

2187
01:26:58,380 --> 01:26:56,560
right now by the way I do want to add

2188
01:27:00,510 --> 01:26:58,390
very quickly edit I one of the things

2189
01:27:01,890 --> 01:27:00,520
that I've come across in my life quite a

2190
01:27:03,630 --> 01:27:01,900
bit as people have always complimented

2191
01:27:05,700 --> 01:27:03,640
me on my name's they think art web is a

2192
01:27:07,260 --> 01:27:05,710
cool name I think it's you know pretty

2193
01:27:09,330 --> 01:27:07,270
average but I think Offerman is such a

2194
01:27:11,610 --> 01:27:09,340
fun last name to say that it was very

2195
01:27:12,930 --> 01:27:11,620
strong it is very strong last thing I

2196
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:12,940
like the you know just like saying ed

2197
01:27:17,310 --> 01:27:15,610
opperman my wife syllable the one

2198
01:27:19,890 --> 01:27:17,320
syllable first name you know Edward I

2199
01:27:24,150 --> 01:27:19,900
just it's it is strong and it is clearly

2200
01:27:25,890 --> 01:27:24,160
of you know a bear noble sort of

2201
01:27:28,110 --> 01:27:25,900
personality and you've displayed those

2202
01:27:29,340 --> 01:27:28,120
colors finally on the show this evening

2203
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:29,350
it yeah we can't wait to have you back

2204
01:27:34,110 --> 01:27:30,610
so thanks so much for coming on truth

2205
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:34,120
funders radio and mark anything else you

2206
01:27:40,350 --> 01:27:37,090
want to add last word before I think

2207
01:27:42,710 --> 01:27:40,360
that's it next week thanks again add we

2208
01:27:45,570 --> 01:27:42,720
really appreciate your stand-up guy um

2209
01:27:47,550 --> 01:27:45,580
next week I will be your last shows a

2210
01:27:49,440 --> 01:27:47,560
single will be my last show as a single

2211
01:27:51,240 --> 01:27:49,450
man and the week after that arts gonna

2212
01:27:56,610 --> 01:27:51,250
be runnin runnin the show by himself

2213
01:28:00,120 --> 01:27:56,620
while I am on my honeymoon so the

2214
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:00,130
location of next week as well I ok one

2215
01:28:04,890 --> 01:28:02,410
last thing go to go truth funders on

2216
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:04,900
facebook ok like I said less than 30

2217
01:28:10,260 --> 01:28:07,690
seconds you guys names um and also it

2218
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:10,270
will go there and and try to guess where

2219
01:28:14,010 --> 01:28:12,250
art was you hear these birds right now

2220
01:28:15,660 --> 01:28:14,020
all this crazy stuff where where do you

2221
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:15,670
think he is go back listen to the show

2222
01:28:20,010 --> 01:28:17,050
again there's a lot of information

2223
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:20,020
listen to it and and try to dissect all

2224
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:22,330
the little secrets of where r is from

2225
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:23,770
what's going on in the background don't

2226
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:25,360
seem to truth finders radio live on IR

2227
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:26,890
in my name is art read from the door for

2228
01:28:30,150 --> 01:28:28,330
mark Schwartz sieve and get this out

2229
01:28:31,820 --> 01:28:30,160
correctly and we will speak to you next

2230
01:28:35,010 --> 01:28:31,830
week thank so much for tuning in bye-bye

2231
01:28:35,740 --> 01:28:35,020
truth funders radio on the inception